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    Not directly related to the FBI actions, but somewhat related with the lifetime ban recommendation for cheating coaches.

    https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46307699&ni...end-1-and-done

    I haven't had time to dive into the whole thing yet, but seems like an honest and measured approach to improving and cleaning up college basketball.
    The future of the past is now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    Not directly related to the FBI actions, but somewhat related with the lifetime ban recommendation for cheating coaches.

    https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46307699&ni...end-1-and-done

    I haven't had time to dive into the whole thing yet, but seems like an honest and measured approach to improving and cleaning up college basketball.
    "Cheating Coaches" is going to be difficult to define. But I guess if you can prove that a coach knew a booster was dropping bags of money on a player, that coach should get booted for life. The problem is going to be proving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    "Cheating Coaches" is going to be difficult to define. But I guess if you can prove that a coach knew a booster was dropping bags of money on a player, that coach should get booted for life. The problem is going to be proving it.
    When you've got apparel companies like Adidas, who needs boosters?

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    much needed changes for college basketball

    https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/sta...24577364115457



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    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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    this could be interesting:

    During opening statement this morning, Jim Gattto's atty promised evidence would show Oregon offered "an atronomical amount of money" to recruit Brian Bowen to play for the Ducks. The $100,000 deal to attend Louisville was to "level the playing field."

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    I had not heard about Ducks.
    Altman may go down too?

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    From Jon Wilner’s PAC-12 Hotline today:

    *****

    We're just getting started ...

    The Pac-12 was mentioned prominently Tuesday in the federal corruption trial against two former Adidas executives and a would-be agent.

    The first whopper: Arizona planned to offer $150,000 for recruit Nassir Little.
    The second whopper: Oregon was ready to offer an “astronomical amount” to land prospect Brian Bowen.

    And that’s just what was presented by attorneys in the opening statements. We haven’t gotten to the witnesses and the evidence, much less the other trials resulting from the FBI's sting -- those involving former assistant coaches at Arizona and USC.

    It could be a very interesting few weeks for the Pac-12 in the Daniel Patrick Moynihan federal courthouse in Manhattan.

    Reaction to the news:

    • That Oregon is involved, to one degree or another, should come as little surprise -- not because of presumed guilt but because of its close association with Nike and its rivalry with Adidas.

    There was no way Three Stripes, or former Three Stripes employees, wouldn’t somehow attempt to implicate the Swoosh.

    Burn it all down, right?

    That is, by the way, the strategy: The attorneys for the former Adidas executives aren’t denying that their clients committed NCAA violations. They’re instead arguing that NCAA violations aren’t federal crimes.

    It’s a wise strategy, but one that could result in the unveiling of evidence against numerous coaches and programs not previously implicated in the FBI case.

    Speaking of evidence …

    • As part of its efforts to clean up the game and expose cheaters, the NCAA made a crucial policy change this summer: Any evidence or statements under oath in the corruption trial can be used by enforcement staff when it investigates rules violations.

    If the father of Brian Bowen, for example, were to take the stand in New York and explain under oath that School X offered $100,000 for his son’s services, his testimony would be treated as if he said it directly to the NCAA.

    • Oh, and yes: The father of Brian Bowen is expected to take the stand and has been granted immunity.
    He could very well offer evidence that implicates a handful of programs, perhaps even a few in the Pac-12.

    If your school has recruited a Lottery Pick-level talent in the past few years, be worried. Be very worried.

    • Pac-12 basketball media day is next week. Sean Miller and Dana Altman are expected to attend.

    If the opening statements in New York are any indication of what’s to come, the conference’s showcase preseason event could be swallowed whole by the corruption case, for the second consecutive year. — Jon Wilner.

    *****

    BTW, attorney opening statements are not evidence, just argument. Juries can’t rely on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    From Jon Wilner’s PAC-12 Hotline today:

    *****

    We're just getting started ...

    The Pac-12 was mentioned prominently Tuesday in the federal corruption trial against two former Adidas executives and a would-be agent.

    The first whopper: Arizona planned to offer $150,000 for recruit Nassir Little.
    The second whopper: Oregon was ready to offer an “astronomical amount” to land prospect Brian Bowen.

    And that’s just what was presented by attorneys in the opening statements. We haven’t gotten to the witnesses and the evidence, much less the other trials resulting from the FBI's sting -- those involving former assistant coaches at Arizona and USC.

    It could be a very interesting few weeks for the Pac-12 in the Daniel Patrick Moynihan federal courthouse in Manhattan.

    Reaction to the news:

    • That Oregon is involved, to one degree or another, should come as little surprise -- not because of presumed guilt but because of its close association with Nike and its rivalry with Adidas.

    There was no way Three Stripes, or former Three Stripes employees, wouldn’t somehow attempt to implicate the Swoosh.

    Burn it all down, right?

    That is, by the way, the strategy: The attorneys for the former Adidas executives aren’t denying that their clients committed NCAA violations. They’re instead arguing that NCAA violations aren’t federal crimes.

    It’s a wise strategy, but one that could result in the unveiling of evidence against numerous coaches and programs not previously implicated in the FBI case.

    Speaking of evidence …

    • As part of its efforts to clean up the game and expose cheaters, the NCAA made a crucial policy change this summer: Any evidence or statements under oath in the corruption trial can be used by enforcement staff when it investigates rules violations.

    If the father of Brian Bowen, for example, were to take the stand in New York and explain under oath that School X offered $100,000 for his son’s services, his testimony would be treated as if he said it directly to the NCAA.

    • Oh, and yes: The father of Brian Bowen is expected to take the stand and has been granted immunity.
    He could very well offer evidence that implicates a handful of programs, perhaps even a few in the Pac-12.

    If your school has recruited a Lottery Pick-level talent in the past few years, be worried. Be very worried.

    • Pac-12 basketball media day is next week. Sean Miller and Dana Altman are expected to attend.

    If the opening statements in New York are any indication of what’s to come, the conference’s showcase preseason event could be swallowed whole by the corruption case, for the second consecutive year. — Jon Wilner.

    *****

    BTW, attorney opening statements are not evidence, just argument. Juries can’t rely on them.
    We're fine then, right? Does Lauri Markanen count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    We're fine then, right? Does Lauri Markanen count?
    don't forget we went after and landed the Jonas Longvad after Boylen promised him warmer winters and a kettle of fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    We're fine then, right? Does Lauri Markanen count?
    Depends on how much we offered him, I guess.

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    Testimony today was that Kuzma’s”associates” received money to influence who he would pick as his agent.


    I also heard on the street that Utes offered PVD free trax tickets for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    don't forget we went after and landed the Jonas Longvad after Boylen promised him warmer winters and a kettle of fish.
    I thought Jonas was a Giacoletti recruit?

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    I thought Jonas was a Giacoletti recruit?
    You're both wrong. Jonas was a Majerus recruit. His freshman season was the year that Majerus left, then played two years for Giac.

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    I just read about the guilty verdicts in the first trial---I had not realized it was a fraud case---it is laughable that Louisville & Kansas were defrauded by the Adidas payments so Bowen & De Sousa would get scholarships. The argument the jury bought was that these schools would not have given them scholarships if they knew about the payments.
    they bought that Pitino & Bill Self knew nothing about the payments. Really>?!

    Funny how the same schools (like AZ etc) kept getting defrauded every year. Poor Sean Miller--he is such an innocent victim.

    Too bad they didn't pull that same fraud on the Utes too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Standing ute View Post
    I just read about the guilty verdicts in the first trial---I had not realized it was a fraud case---it is laughable that Louisville & Kansas were defrauded by the Adidas payments so Bowen & De Sousa would get scholarships. The argument the jury bought was that these schools would not have given them scholarships if they knew about the payments.
    they bought that Pitino & Bill Self knew nothing about the payments. Really>?!

    Funny how the same schools (like AZ etc) kept getting defrauded every year. Poor Sean Miller--he is such an innocent victim.

    Too bad they didn't pull that same fraud on the Utes too.
    Yeah. How do we arrange to be defrauded?

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    Wilner sees this as a big deal:

    Feds give NCAA go-ahead to begin investigating schools in college hoops scandal

    https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-give-n...-12-hotline-nl

    Wilner:

    While not mentioned as prominently as Kansas, for example, both Arizona and Oregon were sucked into the recently-completely case, either during the trial itself or in a post-trial report by ESPN.

    Does this mean the Ducks and Wildcats soon will have visitors from the NCAA enforcement staff? No way to know.

    Does it mean dark, low-lying clouds will linger over the programs for the next five months? Quite possibly.

    (Don't forget: The trials of former Arizona assistant Book Richardson and former USC assistant Tony Bland are scheduled for 2019.)

    Could other programs become ensnared? Absolutely.

    On Tuesday, in fact, the Los Angeles Times reported a firm connection (via phone records) between former assistant David Grace and convicted would-be agent Christian Dawkins. (Grace is now on the Cal staff.)

    The feeling here: It's going to get worse for the conference before it gets better.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Former USC Coach Pleads Guilty in Basketball Corruption Case

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ntent=business

    I wonder if he made a deal to testify against anyone else? The article is silent about that.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    FBI and DOJ Announce Corruption Charges in College Basketball

    Jon Wilner today:

    BB corruption case, updated

    Broadly speaking, Arizona, USC and the Pac-12 were facing three hurdles in the FBI corruption scandal and (pending) NCAA investigation.

    The first has been cleared.

    Fomer Arizona assistant Book Richardson entered a guilty plea Tuesday on one count of felony bribery, following the path taken by ex-USC assistant Tony Bland.

    Both are scheduled for sentencing in the spring but neither reportedly will have to cooperate with authorities. They won't, in other words, be required to divulge information that could incriminate others.

    But there are two obstacles remaining before the Wildcats and Trojans escape the scandal:

    • The first is another trial.

    Christian Dawkins, the low-rent, would-be agent at the center of the FBI sting, is scheduled to face federal authorities in the courtroom in April.

    What evidence surfaces is anyone's guess, but the college basketball world will be closely monitoring the events.

    "Our level of fight is not going to change because of what other people do," Dawkins' attorney told ESPN in the aftermath of Richardson's plea deal.

    • The second hurdle is an NCAA investigation.

    The governing body's enforcement staff is free to use evidence that was collected by the FBI or surfaced during two corruption trials in the fall.

    One number -- the number 1 -- should concern Arizona coach Sean Miller and USC's Andy Enfield.

    NCAA Bylaw 11.1.1.1, better known as "Head Coach Responsibility," states:
    "An institution's head coach is presumed to be responsible for the actions of all institutional staff members who report, directly or indirectly, to the head coach. An institution's head coach shall promote an atmosphere of compliance within his or her program and shall monitor the activities of all institutional staff members involved with the program who report, directly or indirectly, to the coach."

    Miller, in particular, might have difficulty rebutting charges by the NCAA because he and Richardson have coached together for more than a decade. The NCAA could determine it's reasonable to hold Miller accountable for the actions of someone he knows so well.

    Put another way: Plausible deniability won't cut it.

    The sanctions for a violation of Bylaw 11.1.1.1 are severe and include show-cause penalties and lengthy suspensions, in addition to havoc wreaked on reputations.

    Whether the situation approaches or reaches that stage with Miller and Enfield, only time ... and it could be many more months ... will tell. -- Jon Wilner
    Last edited by LA Ute; 01-24-2019 at 08:26 AM.

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Hooplor, god of roundball, please oh please subpoena Sean Miller

    Dawkins’ lawyer, Steve Haney, told Yahoo Sports that his client has little desire to follow the path of the three assistant coaches, including Richardson, who’ve recently entered a plea deal. “We have no intention of pleading,” Haney told Yahoo Sports. “And we believe, factually, the indictment is incorrect and we intend to prove it at trial.”


    There’s a strong expectation that Miller will be subpoenaed to appear at the trial, potentially within the next month. He could be one of many coaches, as all the coaches who were captured on wiretap with Dawkins are at risk of a subpoena. Part of the defense’s theory is expected to be based on showing Dawkins wasn’t bribing coaches. “My obligation here is to defend my client,” Haney said in a phone interview, “not protect coaches who violated NCAA rules.”
    https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-invest...234415126.html

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    Here's a look back at an earlier time and a college basketball coach who stood for some important things:

    Parole for drug lord Rayful Edmond? Ask for John Thompson’s permission

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ons-permission

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    Is a subpoena a big deal?

    https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ari...180149786.html

    In a world where assistant coaches are convicted of federal bribery charges but the head coaches remain unaffected, I'm not sure how significant a subpoena is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solon View Post
    Is a subpoena a big deal?

    https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ari...180149786.html

    In a world where assistant coaches are convicted of federal bribery charges but the head coaches remain unaffected, I'm not sure how significant a subpoena is.
    Depends on what it asks for and how Miller responds. This ain't over by a long shot.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    In the article Miller says: “I never paid a recruit & I never will.” DUH—his assistant coaches always paid, so that statement is true.

    3 of his assistants are dirty per the article & he isn’t because he knew nothing about it.?! Even my mother (RIP), who loved AZ basketball more than anything else (& I put myself in that mix) would have a hard time swallowing that nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Standing ute View Post
    In the article Miller says: “I never paid a recruit & I never will.” DUH—his assistant coaches always paid, so that statement is true.
    Fun with words.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    ESPN:

    What to watch as NCAA hoops scandal goes back to the courtroom

    https://es.pn/2VS41Z8

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    ESPN:

    What to watch as NCAA hoops scandal goes back to the courtroom

    https://es.pn/2VS41Z8
    According to Michael Sokolove who wrote a book on Rick Pitino, AZ was careful about covering their payments. They funneled them through AAU coaches to parents.

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    Sean Miller isn't out of the woods yet. From Wilner's e-mail newsletter today:


    What of the wiretap?

    The Friday newsletter opened with the latest developments from New York City, where U.S. District Court Judge Edgardo Ramos had just ruled that Arizona coach Sean Miller wouldn't have to take the stand in the latest college basketball corruption trial.

    That remains the case this week as the trial gets underway.

    We also noted that the wiretapped conversation reportedly between Miller and would-be agent Christian Dawkins would not be played in the courtroom.

    That may not be the case, however.

    The initial reaction -- no public reveal of the wiretap -- was based on statements by no less an authority than a spokesperson for federal prosecutors. But it seems there is some confusion about the contents of the pre-trial motion.

    The defense attorney, Steven Haney, told Yahoo later on Friday that the wiretap wasn't part of the motion, which seems to indicate it wasn't covered by Ramos' ruling and is admissible, after all.

    Haney also told Yahoo: "There’s direct evidence that Sean Miller was paying players. I said that today, on the record, in court.”

    The full exchange between Haney and Ramos was reported by the Daily Star and based on a transcript of the hearing.

    Yahoo gauged the reaction across the sport to Miller and LSU coach Will Wade not having taking the stand: “'If these guys get away with it,'” one veteran head coach said, “'I should have cheated my whole career.'”

    For a smart overview of the trial, consider this article by Sports Illustrated legal expert Michael McCann.

    The next few days could be quite interesting, for the Wildcats and the Pac-12. -- Jon Wilner.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Assuming this is true, I wonder if Kuzma ever saw any of that money?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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