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    Not directly related to the FBI actions, but somewhat related with the lifetime ban recommendation for cheating coaches.

    https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46307699&ni...end-1-and-done

    I haven't had time to dive into the whole thing yet, but seems like an honest and measured approach to improving and cleaning up college basketball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    Not directly related to the FBI actions, but somewhat related with the lifetime ban recommendation for cheating coaches.

    https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46307699&ni...end-1-and-done

    I haven't had time to dive into the whole thing yet, but seems like an honest and measured approach to improving and cleaning up college basketball.
    "Cheating Coaches" is going to be difficult to define. But I guess if you can prove that a coach knew a booster was dropping bags of money on a player, that coach should get booted for life. The problem is going to be proving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    "Cheating Coaches" is going to be difficult to define. But I guess if you can prove that a coach knew a booster was dropping bags of money on a player, that coach should get booted for life. The problem is going to be proving it.
    When you've got apparel companies like Adidas, who needs boosters?

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    much needed changes for college basketball

    https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/sta...24577364115457



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    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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    this could be interesting:

    During opening statement this morning, Jim Gattto's atty promised evidence would show Oregon offered "an atronomical amount of money" to recruit Brian Bowen to play for the Ducks. The $100,000 deal to attend Louisville was to "level the playing field."

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    I had not heard about Ducks.
    Altman may go down too?

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    From Jon Wilner’s PAC-12 Hotline today:

    *****

    We're just getting started ...

    The Pac-12 was mentioned prominently Tuesday in the federal corruption trial against two former Adidas executives and a would-be agent.

    The first whopper: Arizona planned to offer $150,000 for recruit Nassir Little.
    The second whopper: Oregon was ready to offer an “astronomical amount” to land prospect Brian Bowen.

    And that’s just what was presented by attorneys in the opening statements. We haven’t gotten to the witnesses and the evidence, much less the other trials resulting from the FBI's sting -- those involving former assistant coaches at Arizona and USC.

    It could be a very interesting few weeks for the Pac-12 in the Daniel Patrick Moynihan federal courthouse in Manhattan.

    Reaction to the news:

    • That Oregon is involved, to one degree or another, should come as little surprise -- not because of presumed guilt but because of its close association with Nike and its rivalry with Adidas.

    There was no way Three Stripes, or former Three Stripes employees, wouldn’t somehow attempt to implicate the Swoosh.

    Burn it all down, right?

    That is, by the way, the strategy: The attorneys for the former Adidas executives aren’t denying that their clients committed NCAA violations. They’re instead arguing that NCAA violations aren’t federal crimes.

    It’s a wise strategy, but one that could result in the unveiling of evidence against numerous coaches and programs not previously implicated in the FBI case.

    Speaking of evidence …

    • As part of its efforts to clean up the game and expose cheaters, the NCAA made a crucial policy change this summer: Any evidence or statements under oath in the corruption trial can be used by enforcement staff when it investigates rules violations.

    If the father of Brian Bowen, for example, were to take the stand in New York and explain under oath that School X offered $100,000 for his son’s services, his testimony would be treated as if he said it directly to the NCAA.

    • Oh, and yes: The father of Brian Bowen is expected to take the stand and has been granted immunity.
    He could very well offer evidence that implicates a handful of programs, perhaps even a few in the Pac-12.

    If your school has recruited a Lottery Pick-level talent in the past few years, be worried. Be very worried.

    • Pac-12 basketball media day is next week. Sean Miller and Dana Altman are expected to attend.

    If the opening statements in New York are any indication of what’s to come, the conference’s showcase preseason event could be swallowed whole by the corruption case, for the second consecutive year. — Jon Wilner.

    *****

    BTW, attorney opening statements are not evidence, just argument. Juries can’t rely on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    From Jon Wilner’s PAC-12 Hotline today:

    *****

    We're just getting started ...

    The Pac-12 was mentioned prominently Tuesday in the federal corruption trial against two former Adidas executives and a would-be agent.

    The first whopper: Arizona planned to offer $150,000 for recruit Nassir Little.
    The second whopper: Oregon was ready to offer an “astronomical amount” to land prospect Brian Bowen.

    And that’s just what was presented by attorneys in the opening statements. We haven’t gotten to the witnesses and the evidence, much less the other trials resulting from the FBI's sting -- those involving former assistant coaches at Arizona and USC.

    It could be a very interesting few weeks for the Pac-12 in the Daniel Patrick Moynihan federal courthouse in Manhattan.

    Reaction to the news:

    • That Oregon is involved, to one degree or another, should come as little surprise -- not because of presumed guilt but because of its close association with Nike and its rivalry with Adidas.

    There was no way Three Stripes, or former Three Stripes employees, wouldn’t somehow attempt to implicate the Swoosh.

    Burn it all down, right?

    That is, by the way, the strategy: The attorneys for the former Adidas executives aren’t denying that their clients committed NCAA violations. They’re instead arguing that NCAA violations aren’t federal crimes.

    It’s a wise strategy, but one that could result in the unveiling of evidence against numerous coaches and programs not previously implicated in the FBI case.

    Speaking of evidence …

    • As part of its efforts to clean up the game and expose cheaters, the NCAA made a crucial policy change this summer: Any evidence or statements under oath in the corruption trial can be used by enforcement staff when it investigates rules violations.

    If the father of Brian Bowen, for example, were to take the stand in New York and explain under oath that School X offered $100,000 for his son’s services, his testimony would be treated as if he said it directly to the NCAA.

    • Oh, and yes: The father of Brian Bowen is expected to take the stand and has been granted immunity.
    He could very well offer evidence that implicates a handful of programs, perhaps even a few in the Pac-12.

    If your school has recruited a Lottery Pick-level talent in the past few years, be worried. Be very worried.

    • Pac-12 basketball media day is next week. Sean Miller and Dana Altman are expected to attend.

    If the opening statements in New York are any indication of what’s to come, the conference’s showcase preseason event could be swallowed whole by the corruption case, for the second consecutive year. — Jon Wilner.

    *****

    BTW, attorney opening statements are not evidence, just argument. Juries can’t rely on them.
    We're fine then, right? Does Lauri Markanen count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    We're fine then, right? Does Lauri Markanen count?
    don't forget we went after and landed the Jonas Longvad after Boylen promised him warmer winters and a kettle of fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    We're fine then, right? Does Lauri Markanen count?
    Depends on how much we offered him, I guess.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Testimony today was that Kuzma’s”associates” received money to influence who he would pick as his agent.


    I also heard on the street that Utes offered PVD free trax tickets for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    don't forget we went after and landed the Jonas Longvad after Boylen promised him warmer winters and a kettle of fish.
    I thought Jonas was a Giacoletti recruit?

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    I thought Jonas was a Giacoletti recruit?
    You're both wrong. Jonas was a Majerus recruit. His freshman season was the year that Majerus left, then played two years for Giac.

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    I just read about the guilty verdicts in the first trial---I had not realized it was a fraud case---it is laughable that Louisville & Kansas were defrauded by the Adidas payments so Bowen & De Sousa would get scholarships. The argument the jury bought was that these schools would not have given them scholarships if they knew about the payments.
    they bought that Pitino & Bill Self knew nothing about the payments. Really>?!

    Funny how the same schools (like AZ etc) kept getting defrauded every year. Poor Sean Miller--he is such an innocent victim.

    Too bad they didn't pull that same fraud on the Utes too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Standing ute View Post
    I just read about the guilty verdicts in the first trial---I had not realized it was a fraud case---it is laughable that Louisville & Kansas were defrauded by the Adidas payments so Bowen & De Sousa would get scholarships. The argument the jury bought was that these schools would not have given them scholarships if they knew about the payments.
    they bought that Pitino & Bill Self knew nothing about the payments. Really>?!

    Funny how the same schools (like AZ etc) kept getting defrauded every year. Poor Sean Miller--he is such an innocent victim.

    Too bad they didn't pull that same fraud on the Utes too.
    Yeah. How do we arrange to be defrauded?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Wilner sees this as a big deal:

    Feds give NCAA go-ahead to begin investigating schools in college hoops scandal

    https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-give-n...-12-hotline-nl

    Wilner:

    While not mentioned as prominently as Kansas, for example, both Arizona and Oregon were sucked into the recently-completely case, either during the trial itself or in a post-trial report by ESPN.

    Does this mean the Ducks and Wildcats soon will have visitors from the NCAA enforcement staff? No way to know.

    Does it mean dark, low-lying clouds will linger over the programs for the next five months? Quite possibly.

    (Don't forget: The trials of former Arizona assistant Book Richardson and former USC assistant Tony Bland are scheduled for 2019.)

    Could other programs become ensnared? Absolutely.

    On Tuesday, in fact, the Los Angeles Times reported a firm connection (via phone records) between former assistant David Grace and convicted would-be agent Christian Dawkins. (Grace is now on the Cal staff.)

    The feeling here: It's going to get worse for the conference before it gets better.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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