Arkansas beat ole miss 2 years ago like that.
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Arkansas beat ole miss 2 years ago like that.
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"Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla
The art of the 2 point conversion: When and why to go for it
The art of the 2 point conversion: When and why to go for it
For whatever it is worth.
Last edited by LA Ute; 10-16-2017 at 11:39 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
A friend of mine that is a Ute pointed out something interesting today: Is there something going on with TW and Carrington? You'd think he'd be looking for Carrington more. Then there was the pass in the first half in which Carrington looked like he didn't even expect it.
I heard Whittingham's comments that DC is fighting through something, but still, it seems like TW is avoiding DC.
Threethings:
1- Troy is already going down at this point. Still, if his eyes were up he might have seen Carrington breaking open.
2- Why aren't Carrington's hands up in the air signaling he is open?
3- If he did pass, at least we wouldn't have any ineligible lineman downfield.
“To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.
I listened to the podcast this morning of KW's press conference. Also FWIW, he thought the pass to Carrington should have been made. I don't think we should be too hard on Troy, but we need to call it what it was: a blown opportunity at the critical moment of the game. He flips that ball to Carrington and we are all celebrating a great historic win.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Not sure about USC's FG kicker either. After all, SC decided to go for it on 4th and 9 at the Utah 27 rather than kick a FG. It was 3rd quarter and Utah led 21-14.
http://www.espn.com/college-football...meId=400935297
σοφῷ ἀνδρὶ Ἑλλὰς πάντα.
-- Flavius Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 1.35.2.
If you watch the video of the 2 point try Troy’s weakness is exposed.
He leaves the pocket early, and when he leaves he abandons the pass play and goes into run mode. If he’d just drifted outside while still running the play he had space and time. But instead he went out and forward, with his head down.
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Also, as Riley pointed put today, Troy rolled right (as he always seems to do) where all the traffic was, instead of stepping left, where he would have had a couple of seconds to set his feet. I'm not sure this is a fair criticism, because I think the play called for Troy to hit the TE on the right side of the field, but USC saw that coming and covered the TE. But still, looking at this clip, it sure does look like he panicked and headed right:
https://twitter.com/JFurKSL/status/919408305042178049
Last edited by LA Ute; 10-17-2017 at 03:13 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
The play is a designed roll out to the right, then throw back to a receiver(s) going the opposite direction. USC read it and had it covered. Williams was never meant to stay in a straight drop back pocket, the pocket is designed to move to the right with him.
Going for the two point conversion was the right call (desperate times call for desperate measures). The play call was not a good one.
Last edited by tooblue; 10-17-2017 at 03:57 PM.
As I said, I wonder if Riley's criticism is fair. But if you look at the video it is not unreasonable to believe Troy could have stepped left. There wasn't a full rollout to the right. When he tucks and runs, he always goes right, unfortunately, and doesn't look for a receiver. Here, he ran right into traffic. As a spoiled fan, I think Huntley, with his better "escapability" and instincts, might well have made something happen in a play like this. Then again, with Huntley I think a different play might have been called.
Last edited by LA Ute; 10-17-2017 at 04:42 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
There are always multiple ways to look at things. Sure, USC moved the ball on us the whole game but where have you been for all of the Kyle's career at Utah? Teams get yards on Utah but the Utes tend to keep the score down. Besides, Utah had it's own stumbles in the first half. A missed field goal - an easy field goal at that, and an interception in the redzone (great play by Cameron Smith). That's ten points. Could we just call the game what it was - close, hard fought, another awesome game in the USC-Utah series? I'm going to choose that narrative if you don't mind. In this case, it's a lot closer than the fiction you and Sancho want to embrace.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Hey, don't put words in my mouth. No one claimed this was not a close, hard fought, awesome game. I believe Utah played a great game, and USC moved the ball easily. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
By the way, since you mentioned it, was the Cam Smith interception really a great play? Troy threw it right at him. He was caught between a blitz and pass coverage (no man's land), and Troy tried to throw it through him. Cam jumped, but he didn't have to. It hit him in the numbers. Cam is clearly a great player, but just about any LB makes that pick.
Sancho,
Don't mean to offend - I did come off a little to flippant to you and justaute. My apologies.
As to Cam Smith - I just think an interception that close to the line of scrimmage is pretty remarkable because the ball's traveling at a pretty good speed. Definitely a poor play by Williams who needed to find another way to get the ball to Nacua who I think was open on the play.