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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I just think the SCOTUS has become too doggone important.
    You know, I lost an argument with scratch about precedent, but so many people feel like I do. I read some op-ed's about the justice vacancy. They range from measured to hysterical, but they all seem to think Roe v Wade could be overturned. No one seems to think precedent will be a major obstacle if their minds get made up.

    Anyway, I agree. There is imbalance in our checks and balances, with the judicial/executive taking power from an impotent legislative.

    Also, to the surprise of no one, the arguments have flipped. Now the democrats will use the "don't legislate from the bench" line, and the republicans will forget they ever said such a thing.

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    This movement will give some Democrats who want to be president a chance to triangulate.


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    This movement will give some Democrats who want to be president a chance to triangulate.
    I hope every Dem presidential candidate disavows this kind of BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    I hope every Dem presidential candidate disavows this kind of BS.
    That’s what I meant. Dem candidates could use these folks to position themselves in the middle.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    That’s what I meant. Dem candidates could use these folks to position themselves in the middle.
    And I think they will.

    This group is certainly a fringe group.

    Tomorrow in Salt Lake they’re part of a group calling for an independent elected citizens board who would have sole power to “judge” police officers and determine punishment.

    That was the second half of their press release, the first half was spent telling everyone that cops are just scared of everyone.


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    WHAT ROBERT MUELLER KNOWS—AND 9 AREAS HE'LL PURSUE NEXT

    https://www.wired.com/story/what-rob...l-pursue-next/

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    WHAT ROBERT MUELLER KNOWS—AND 9 AREAS HE'LL PURSUE NEXT

    https://www.wired.com/story/what-rob...l-pursue-next/
    We're going to have a crisis where Trump will be implicated in foreign influence things and the GOP dominated House will refuse to do anything about it, aren't we. The Democrats will scream for impeachment while the GOP screams "fake news".

    It's going to be a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    We're going to have a crisis where Trump will be implicated in foreign influence things and the GOP dominated House will refuse to do anything about it, aren't we. The Democrats will scream for impeachment while the GOP screams "fake news".

    It's going to be a mess.
    Nah, they're politicians, they'll do whatever is politically expedient, and 'standing by your man' is never politically expedient.

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    Life in the Trump Era, Part 2

    Wall Street Journal Editorial Board:

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    The Trump First Doctrine

    Putin respects strength but Trump showed weakness.


    Donald Trump left for Europe a week ago with his reputation enhanced by a strong Supreme Court nomination. He returned Monday with that reputation diminished after a tumultuous week of indulging what amounts to the Trump First Doctrine.

    Mr. Trump marched through Europe with more swagger than strategy. His diplomacy is personal, rooted in instinct and impulse, and he treats other leaders above all on how much they praise Donald J. Trump. He says what pops into his head to shock but then disavows it if there’s a backlash. He criticizes institutions and policies to grab headlines but then claims victory no matter the outcome.

    The world hasn’t seen a U.S. President like this in modern times, and as ever in Trump World everyone else will have to adapt. Let’s navigate between the critics who predict the end of world order and the cheerleaders who see only genius, and try to offer a realistic assessment of the fallout from a troubling week.

    • NATO. The result here seems better than many feared. Mr. Trump bullied the allies with rhetoric and insulted Germany by claiming it is “totally controlled” by Russia. But his charges about inadequate military spending and Russia’s gas pipeline had the advantage of being true, as most leaders acknowledged.

    The 23-page communique that Mr. Trump endorsed is a solid document that improves NATO’s capabilities to deter and resist a threat from Russia. Mr. Trump’s last-minute demand that countries raise military spending to 4% of GDP was weird, but he is right that more countries are likely to meet the 2% target.

    One risk is that Mr. Trump’s constant criticism of NATO will undermine public support for it in the U.S.—and, more dangerously, undermine the alliance’s deterrence against Russia. If Vladimir Putin concludes Mr. Trump isn’t willing to protect the Baltic states, he may pull another Crimea.

    • The Brits. Mr. Trump turned a friendly visit into a fiasco by criticizing Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit strategy in an interview with the Sun newspaper. He backtracked a day later, calling his own comments on tape “fake news,” and Mrs. May was gracious.

    But Mr. Trump should encourage a U.S.-British post-Brexit trade deal both in the U.S. interest and to help Britain negotiate the most favorable Brexit terms from the European Union. Other leaders will conclude from his rude treatment of Mrs. May that working with Mr. Trump is more perilous than fighting him.

    • The EU. In contrast to NATO, Mr. Trump does seem to want to undermine the European compact. He called it a “foe” on trade, which will make negotiating a better trade deal even less likely. He seems determined to impose a 20% or higher tariff on European autos to strike at Germany, which would also hit France and others.

    The U.S. isn’t part of the EU, but American Presidents have found it useful as an ally to leverage sanctions against, say, Russia or Iran. Mr. Trump is stoking European resentments that will bite back sooner or later when he wants Europe’s help.

    • Russia. Details from the private Trump-Putin talks in Helsinki will spill out in coming days, but Monday’s joint press conference was a personal and national embarrassment. On stage with the dictator whose election meddling has done so much harm to his Presidency, Mr. Trump couldn’t even bring himself to say he believed his own intelligence advisers like Dan Coats over the Russian strongman.

    “I have—I have confidence in both parties,” Mr. Trump said. “So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.” Denials from liars usually are strong and powerful.

    The charitable explanation for this kowtow to the Kremlin is that Mr. Trump can’t get past his fury that critics claim his election was tainted by Russian interference. And so he couldn’t resist, in front of the world, going off on a solipsistic ramble about “ Hillary Clinton’s emails” and Democratic “servers.” He can’t seem to figure out that the more he indulges his ego in this fashion, and the more he seems to indulge Mr. Putin, the more ammunition he gives to his opponents.

    For a rare moment in his Presidency, Mr. Trump also projected weakness. He was the one on stage beseeching Mr. Putin for a better relationship, while the Russian played it cool and matter of fact. Mr. Trump touted their personal rapport, saying the bilateral “relationship has never been worse than it is now. However, that changed as of about four hours ago. I really believe that.” In four hours?

    Mr. Putin focused on his agenda of consolidating Russian strategic gains in Syria, Ukraine and arms control, and suggesting that the American might help. Mr. Trump even seemed to soften his stance against Russia’s Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany.

    ***
    By going soft on Mr. Putin, Mr. Trump will paradoxically find it even harder to make deals with the Russian. Republicans and Democrats will unite in Congress, as they should, to limit his diplomatic running room. Mr. Trump may decide to court Mr. Putin anyway, like Barack Obama did Iran’s mullahs, but political isolation concerning a foreign adversary is a weak and dangerous place to be.

    Appeared in the July 17, 2018, print edition.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-tru..._copyURL_share
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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    73% of Democrats Want ‘A Fresh Face’ As 2020 Nominee


    Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are among those touted as serious Democratic presidential contenders in 2020, but three-out-of-four Democrats think their party needs to turn to someone new.
    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 73% of Likely Democratic Voters believe their party should look for a fresh face to run for president in 2020. Just 16% disagree and think the party should promote a candidate who has already run in the past. Eleven percent (11%) are undecided.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...s_2020_nominee
    Last edited by LA Ute; Yesterday at 01:08 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    73% of Democrats Want ‘A Fresh Face’ As 2020 Nominee
    I'm not a democrat, but I'm an independent who wants a fresh face. I would also say that Chelsea Clinton or any Bush progeny doesn't count as a fresh face.

    Of course, I wanted a fresh face in 2016, and I got one. So be careful what you wish for.

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    You know, as a Republican I wish he had chosen a really strong running mate so he could just declare a yuge victory after one term and let someone suited for the job step in.

    Trump does an about-face, says he misspoke on Russia meddling

    President Trump said today that he meant the opposite when he said during his summit with Russian leader Vladimir Putin that he doesn't see why Russia would have interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    Speaking at the White House, the president said he meant he doesn't see why Russia “wouldn't” be responsible. He also said he accepts the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Russia interfered in the election, but he denied that his campaign had colluded in the effort.
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html
    Last edited by LA Ute; Yesterday at 01:08 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    The amount of words devoted to our president is astounding. How about "the guy is crazy?" We've known it for decades. Nothing new to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    The amount of words devoted to our president is astounding. How about "the guy is crazy?" We've known it for decades. Nothing new to see here.
    Yup, one thing he's never done as president is surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Yup, one thing he's never done as president is surprise me.
    With Trump I'm regularly shocked, but never surprised.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    73% of Democrats Want ‘A Fresh Face’ As 2020 Nominee

    I've yet to see an attractive candidate floated by either party. Have you?

    Let's agree to push candidates that are not on the fringe of their party, and can we rid ourselves of candidates who have a pattern of being a sexual predator - either an actual predator (Trump, Clinton) or someone who has enabled it (HRC). Finally, someone that has some meaningful experience outside a lifetime of feeding from the public trough would be nice. Maybe a Governor that has met a budget building a business at some point in his life. Anyway.....that's what I'm looking for -- a political Easter Bunny.

    I want a Romney do-over.
    “Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman

    "You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb

    "Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    I want a Romney do-over.
    No cougar club members. That is not negotiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    No cougar club members. That is not negotiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    With Trump I'm regularly shocked, but never surprised.
    I'm relieved the debacle with Putin got wide coverage, and that Republicans seemed to find their voices, for a day, at least. For an awakened public, this should give Mueller more room to do his job.

    However deep Mueller's trail goes will only be confirmational, and it becomes secondary if the Intel data goes all the way to Trump - he played the role of traitor as well as it could have been done, and the underlying truth is being exposed not by Mueller or Adam Schiff, but by the President himself.

    If it's true that John Kelly urged Republicans to speak out, then good on him. Even Orrin Hatch now supports legislation curbing the idiotic tariff games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    I'm relieved the debacle with Putin got wide coverage, and that Republicans seemed to find their voices, for a day, at least. For an awakened public, this should give Mueller more room to do his job.

    However deep Mueller's trail goes will only be confirmational, and it becomes secondary if the Intel data goes all the way to Trump - he played the role of traitor as well as it could have been done, and the underlying truth is being exposed not by Mueller or Adam Schiff, but by the President himself.

    If it's true that John Kelly urged Republicans to speak out, then good on him. Even Orrin Hatch now supports legislation curbing the idiotic tariff games.
    I think we elected a man with a personality disorder as POTUS, but I don't believe he's a traitor. We'll see what the evidence shows. If he is a traitor, then it's the biggest political scandal in U.S. history. If it turns out that he is just a boor who lacks character, and all the efforts to connect him to illegal activity with Russia become the most cynical political sideshow in U.S. history.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think we elected a man with a personality disorder as POTUS, but I don't believe he's a traitor.
    Who cares? He doesn't belong in office. If this helps remove him from office, it's a good thing. For that alone, it's not a cynical sideshow - people working to get him out are doing the nation a favor.

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