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    Fascinating CNN discussion about Roseanne Barr and Samantha Bee.

    https://youtu.be/2kixh3SUdr0

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    Fascinating CNN discussion about Roseanne Barr and Samantha Bee.

    https://youtu.be/2kixh3SUdr0
    I don't see the statements as similar.

    Barr said Valerie Jarrett was the love-child of the Muslim Brotherhood & Planet of the Apes. To me, that is a statement dripping of underlying racism.

    Bee said that Ivanka is a feckless c**t. That is beyond crude, but equivalent, in my opinion, to saying she is a clueless bitch. Crude, but not racist.

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    Life in the Trump Era, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I don't see the statements as similar.

    Barr said Valerie Jarrett was the love-child of the Muslim Brotherhood & Planet of the Apes. To me, that is a statement dripping of underlying racism.

    Bee said that Ivanka is a feckless c**t. That is beyond crude, but equivalent, in my opinion, to saying she is a clueless bitch. Crude, but not racist.
    I would not call it crude, I would call it obscene. I don’t think it is equivalent to
    Barr’s tweet either, but it is probably the worst term anyone can throw at a woman. In the metoo era it is the last word that should be normalized. In this case the word was not an outburst, it was scripted. I thought the CNN commentator‘s criticism was compelling.


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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I would not call it crude, I would call it obscene. I don’t think it is equivalent to
    Barr’s tweet either, but it is probably the worst term anyone can throw at a woman. In the metoo era it is the last word that should be normalized. In this case the word was not an outburst, it was scripted. I thought the CNN commentator‘s criticism was compelling.


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    Unless you’re British.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    Unless you’re British.


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    Relevance?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Relevance?
    To me it’s relevant.

    Words have different meanings in different places. That word is not the worst word you could call someone in Britain.

    Racism is racism is racism, doesn’t matter where you are.

    (And we won’t even touch on Ted Nugent)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    To me it’s relevant.

    Words have different meanings in different places. That word is not the worst word you could call someone in Britain.

    Racism is racism is racism, doesn’t matter where you are.

    (And we won’t even touch on Ted Nugent)
    She used the word in America.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I don't see the statements as similar.
    The statements are similar mainly in the sense that they add evidence to an already large pile that neither woman is clever, funny, or deserving of my time.

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