"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
What do you think of Adam Schiff’s explanation for opposing the release of the memo for public review and discussion?
https://youtu.be/P34zKSW1l68
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"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Human nature being what it is, no party should be surprised when shutdowns backfire. The question is whether Democrats and Republicans have both learned a lesson from the events of this weekend, or whether we are looking at more shutdowns in the future....
Republicans, after all, returned to shutdown tactics in 2013, even though they had earlier failed, which tells us that legislators don’t always take the lessons of history to heart. When you care about an issue very much, it is extremely difficult to admit that there may be no political route to what you want.
Also, the shutdown this weekend represented a further escalation of the nasty game of tit-for-tat that has been eroding both political norms and legislative effectiveness over the last 30 years. One party breaks some norm, and then when Congress changes hands, the other party takes it further, until pretty soon, the norm disappears, and we are in a new, angrier state of “normal.” Each party comes out of these episodes with a lengthening list of the prior violations by the other side, and a growing thirst for vengeance.
Until this weekend, Democrats could say that shutdowns were a peculiar form of Republican insanity. Now it appears that they are bipartisan, which is halfway to being normalized. Even more concerning than the normalization is what it suggests about our politics: Both parties have strong incentives to adopt extremist positions and obstructionist tactics, rather than try to find some middle ground.
On the other hand, both parties have now conclusively demonstrated that shutting down the government is not a way to get what they want. And to Chuck Schumer’s credit, he seems to have realized this fairly quickly. He didn’t drag it out, as the previous shutdowns dragged out; he tried the tactic, realized it wasn’t working, and pulled back before anyone outside of Washington really had time to notice. Which leaves just a little hope that this episode may be less a sign of spreading disease than a sort of vaccination, a weakened dose that staves off a more serious sickness.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...bout-shutdowns
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
“Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman
"You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb
"Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.
“Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman
"You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb
"Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Only because that shutdown in the fall of 1990 has long since been forgotten -- and may not have even registered at the time.Until this weekend, Democrats could say that shutdowns were a peculiar form of Republican insanity.
"It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view." -- Oscar Levant
This is a reasonable and compelling piece. I think folks here on the left, right and center will agree.
Release the Memo and Release the Evidence
http://amp.nationalreview.com/articl...o-and-evidence
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
All the sudden attacks on the FBI by the GOP points to something on the verge of happening.
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...er-blockbuster
Prediction time: Trump and his cohorts will be eventually hit with money laundering charges in New York State. State charges cannot be pardoned by a sitting President.
Release it all.
Below, you and Musser seem to be suggesting that Schiff and Nunes/Gaetz, etc. are two sides of the same political hack coin. I think they are coming from two very, very different places and trying to accomplish two different things. Nunes and Gaetz ere trying to protect Trump and discredit the investigaiton. Schiff has been trying to protect the integrity of the investigation. IMHO, Schiff has been professional . Nunes hasn't. The DOJ letter yesterday telling Nunes it would be extremely reckless to release the memo, esp. without showing it to DOJ or the FBI, was telling. So is the "secret society" hysteria.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
The secret society is probably a drinking club or poker group or something similar. Sen. Johnson shouldn't have been running around talking about that lone text message with no context to explain it. Also, Adam Schiff should not have said his committee has "more than circumstantial evidence" of collusion with Russia. Joe McCarthy couldn't have said it better.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
I'm thinking the secret society thing was a joke. As in those conspiracy theories that the governments of the world are actually run by a secret society of elites and the only way a guy like Trump could get elected is if they willed it.
Hey, I've joked about the same thing, because to this day still... how in the world did that actually happen?
the Pentaveret
https://youtu.be/YKRFlNryaWw
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
My history group is easily more unknown and obscure, compared to UB5, but to qualify as a society you probably need more than 1 poster, especially if said poster is the owner.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/flat...tics/index.php
"It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view." -- Oscar Levant
Don’t blame me for this. I can’t help it.
Conservatives are more attractive than liberals, study finds
https://www.indy100.com/article/cons...almaer-8181196
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
“Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman
"You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb
"Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.
For me one of the things that Trump routinely does to prove he is a small and petty man is his continued trashing of Hillary Clinton and incessant need to remind people that he won. HRCs little skit I’m seeing today that was featured on the Grammys proves to me that she really is no better.
Hard to imagine any other past presidents or candidates doing this.
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With Trump saying he wants to meet with Mueller and his attorneys saying essentially “hold on a minute...” the Shakespearean idiom “hoisted by his own petard” comes to mind.
I hope Trump’s hubris causes it to happen. I think Mueller is leagues smarter than Trump and will easily corner him into saying something indictable. I’m not certain there was orchestrated collusion going on or not but there seems to definitely be an abundance of stupidly and a remarkable lack of moral clarity and understanding of the law in his campaign.
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It doesn't matter all that much if he is under oath, because it is a felony to lie to a federal law enforcement officer if you are under oath or not. It is much easier to prove a false statement than it is to prove perjury.
But how does the President of the United States refuse to take the oath or refuse to answer questions? Probably doesn't matter anymore.
Yeah, Schiff and nunes/Gaetz are two sides of the same coin.
Schiff's rebuttal to the Nunes memo is "an extraordinarily detailed, point-by-point rebuttal of unbelievably shoddy allegations," Rep Himes, the number two D on House Intel, tells me.But, ominously, Himes doubts it will be released.