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    It looks like Van Der Zwaan is the son in law of Russian-Ukrainian oligarch German Khan (weird name, huh?), worked for a firm in DC called "Scadden". https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-zwaan/553793/

    He helped produce a PR report in 2012 that sought to make the Russian leaning Ukrainian president Viktor Yanokovych - for whom Manafort apparently worked for a decade - look better than the negative reaction to his locking up his opposition, Yulia Tymoshenko. ("Lock Her Up" wasn't exactly a novel concept, it looks like. Manafort's boss actually did it, in the Ukraine.)

    (Yanokovych who was overthrown during the Ukrainian revolution, fled to Moscow, and Yulia Tymoshenko was released from prison by the Ukrainian legislature / parliament.)

    Very, very interestingly, Van Der Zwaan's father in law Khan is the owner of Alfa Bank, the organization that was communicating with Trump Tower at key inflection points during the campaign, according to DNS administrators interviewed for the Slate article I referenced from Oct 31, 2016. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...th_russia.html

    (Alfa Bank was also fingered by Christopher Steele in his dossier as being a conduit between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign.)

    Another source indicates Mueller nailed VDZ for lying because they recovered encrypted communications between VDZ and the person he said he hadn't spoken with, hence the indictment.

    This may amount to very little... or it may indicate Mueller is closing in.



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    I don’t mind notes. I think anyone in such a position would use notes.

    But it’s mind boggling to me that POTUS has to have “I Hear You” written down when meeting with mass shooting victims. Empathy shouldn’t require notes.

    To me that’s more evidence of possible cognitive issues than anything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    I don’t mind notes. I think anyone in such a position would use notes.

    But it’s mind boggling to me that POTUS has to have “I Hear You” written down when meeting with mass shooting victims. Empathy shouldn’t require notes.

    To me that’s more evidence of possible cognitive issues than anything.
    Agree. He appears to have taken notes in the preparation, though, you have to give him credit for that.

    His job there was to act presidential, let the students and parents talk and pretend like he understood them and felt their pain. Some are comparing that meeting with the long, bipartisan DACA meeting where he agreed with everything, the "calm genius" exhibition.

    The strategy appears to be let the storm pass, maybe work on some window dressing action (eg, DOJ banning bump-stocks), then maybe sow doubt about the effectiveness of any laws and how "good guy" gun owners can help, but can't if they're restricted by law (or whatever), and then start pounding on the FBI some more.

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    Lots of articles the past couple of days about Trump trying force out McMaster, and Javanka in a fight to oust Kelly (and vice versa, or at least deny Kushner security clearance). Will be interesting to see how the dust settles. Will be interesting to see if Trump grants jared an exemption from a permanent security clearance, given everything he said about the Dems' careless handling of classified info (since there is lots of speculation that Jared will never get a permanent one). Not to mention the other 130 people in the WH on temporary clearances for a long, long time.

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    One of these days Trump is going to do something praiseworthy, and you guys are going to go into some kind of cognitive dissonance paralysis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    One of these days Trump is going to do something praiseworthy, and you guys are going to go into some kind of cognitive dissonance paralysis.


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    I would have praised him for the immigration deal he cut with Schumer and Pelosi (for an hour), and for bump stocks (unless that is all there is, and it is a feint). Same with the Senate bipartisan immigration bill that he torpedoed.

    I cant imagine the police want teachers armed (Diehard?). if there is a shooting, how do the cops distinguish between the shooter and the shooting teacher? Age cant be determinative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    One of these days Trump is going to do something praiseworthy, and you guys are going to go into some kind of cognitive dissonance paralysis.


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    Actually I'd be thrilled. I am hoping that him visiting Parkland had a sobering effect.

    But I'm not holding my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I would have praised him for the immigration deal he cut with Schumer and Pelosi (for an hour), and for bump stocks (unless that is all there is, and it is a feint). Same with the Senate bipartisan immigration bill that he torpedoed.

    I cant imagine the police want teachers armed (Diehard?). if there is a shooting, how do the cops distinguish between the shooter and the shooting teacher? Age cant be determinative.
    The attention paid to his notes did provoke an eye-roll on my part.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I would have praised him for the immigration deal he cut with Schumer and Pelosi (for an hour), and for bump stocks (unless that is all there is, and it is a feint). Same with the Senate bipartisan immigration bill that he torpedoed.

    I cant imagine the police want teachers armed (Diehard?). if there is a shooting, how do the cops distinguish between the shooter and the shooting teacher? Age cant be determinative.
    There would need to be some ways to identify them for sure. We had that issue with trolley square, officers were in plain clothes assignments. We’ve adjusted our policies to avoid that


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    One of these days Trump is going to do something praiseworthy, and you guys are going to go into some kind of cognitive dissonance paralysis.
    lol.

    I liked how he's pushing for an increase in the age limit of buyers of rifles from 18 to 21, thereby (ostensibly) angering the NRA.

    (He probably doesn't realize it's a state issue, but it's the thought that counts.)

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    Study: 90% of Americans Opposed to Each Other

    https://www.theonion.com/study-90-of...her-1823168096

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Study: 90% of Americans Opposed to Each Other

    https://www.theonion.com/study-90-of...her-1823168096
    Speaking from my own feelings I’m surprised it is that low.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    Speaking from my own feelings I’m surprised it is that low.


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    I think I am now opposed to you.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think I am now opposed to you.
    You both can just shut the F up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    You both can just shut the F up.
    Now you're on the list too, buddy.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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