Nancy Pelosi rebuked Maxine Waters. Props to Nancy. There's a lot of rebuking that needs to be done, on all sides.
Nancy Pelosi rebuked Maxine Waters. Props to Nancy. There's a lot of rebuking that needs to be done, on all sides.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
And, of course, there’s now this
Politics is literally a dumpster fire
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"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Very funny, you commie. But I know you must’ve taken some political science courses at some point.
I’m applying the term to behavior, not people. You know, liberal vs. illiberal, in classical political science parlance. It is illiberal to shut down speech, refuse service based on one’s political beliefs, and so forth. That’s why I said their behavior looks like fascism. Illiberality is where fascism and communism intersect. That’s one reason why the behavior of the people calling themselves “antifa” is so ironic.
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"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
David French (a never-Trumper, BTW) says it better than I did:
Days of Rage
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...eres-the-line/Angry, in-your-face confrontations dramatically increase the chances of violence. Put people in close proximity, yelling and spitting, and public officials will rightly start to fear that they’re in physical danger. While millions of Americans don’t remember that a Bernie Sanders supporter last year tried to assassinate a significant portion of the GOP Congress, you can be assured that not a single Republican in Washington has forgotten. They can never be sure that the screaming person in front of them doesn’t mean them physical harm.
Argue against these dangerous confrontations, and you’ll always get the same response: This administration is uniquely evil. It was taking children from their parents. The president just tweeted that he wants to strip due-process rights from illegal immigrants. Desperate times call for desperate measures....
Last edited by LA Ute; 06-26-2018 at 08:35 AM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Add to this that people's outrage is continuing to be stoked by Russian operatives...
http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/21/tech...lls/index.html
Which brings us to the media. They are operating under such a fast news cycle that long ago now they began to value getting the report first over accuracy. Journalists used to make an attempt to verify before they published and now they just plan to correct later.
The above article asks why the media keeps falling for it and that is why.
I think over time that people will learn to filter through this stuff better and prize accuracy over speed, kind of like how we've learned to filter through advertising. I'll bet we'll look back on this time as total chaos and naďveté.
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But seriously, folks, no one is answering this question: What place does hassling public servants in their personal lives have in a liberal democracy? A large group of demonstrators showed up at the FCC Chairman's home (where his little kids live) over net neutrality; the White House Press Secretary is asked to leave a restaurant; the AG of Florida is hounded out of a movie theater; the Homeland Security Secretary is hounded out of a restaurant and demonstrators show up at her home; Maxine Waters says "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere."
I understand that the targets of these efforts are not all sympathetic people. My question: If these are the new rules we are setting or accepting, how will my liberal friends feel when the same rules are used in the future against the government officials they favor?
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
The rules are not new. They are just being applied to a new group of people - elected officials - a group that in my opinion, have been allowed to avoid the consequences of their words and their actions for far too long.
The civility Debate Has Reached Peak Stupidity.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...-hen-civility/
Can you think of times in the recent past when this type of behavior has been so widespread, and actively encouraged and defended by elected office holders on the other side, as well as sympathetic pundits?
EDIT: I think the more important questions are, at what point is it permissible to engage in this kind of harassment of public officials in their personal lives? Who gets to decide when that point is reached?
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Last edited by LA Ute; 06-26-2018 at 12:27 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
From my point of view, there is no point where it's permissible to treat others poorly. I've certainly broken that rule myself, but I don't feel good or justified about it.
The two arguments I've seen attempting to justify this:
(1) We've always had incivility. _______________ was uncivil (recently or 200 years ago). Why, then, should we be civil?
and
(2) There's never been a more grotesque president, and desperate times call for desperate measures. Basically, we need to fight fire with fire.
I don't find either argument compelling, but I tend to see things from a christian point of view. Even from a strategic/political point of view, however, the restaurant owner hurt her own cause. She'd have served her cause (which is a good cause, I think) better by just giving that women her dinner.
I like this tweet:
Should/will we start treating people in person the way we treat them online? Is it inevitable that we become what we are online?
This has happened before.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-n...626-story.html
And this is a big part of the current problem.
https://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trum.../#jzeo.RRmriqd
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
SCOTUS Kennedy just announced his retirement. Trump to get another pick. 😡
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"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Last edited by LA Ute; 06-27-2018 at 10:51 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell