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Thread: Life in the Trump Era, Part 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I thought she did recuse herself and DOJ--which is why Comey made the final decision not to prosecute Hilary. I thought the only thing she did (or maybe DOJ) was to advise Comey not to hold a press conference, which he ignored.
    She did not recuse herself, and to this day apparently doesn't see a problem with it.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/polit...ion/index.html

    She did say after receiving criticism about her meeting with Bill that she would accept whatever recommendation the FBI made on the matter.

    As i understand it, the usual protocol is for the FBI to do their investigation, present the evidence and make their recommendation to the AG and then as the prosecutors they ultimately decide whether to prosecute or not (that is how it has been explained to me on both the national and local level). Then the AG can announce whatever they determined to do.

    Comey's excuse was that despite their recommendation that Clinton not be prosecuted he feared that because Lynch was perceived by the public as compromised by Bill Clinton her announcing it would result in a credibility crisis and call into question her and the FBIs integrity on the matter (looks like that happened anyway).

    I don't think he was wrong about that -- the Republicans would have had a hay day with that one. Hindsight being 20/20 and if he was solely interested in job preservation he would have let her fall on that sword and let the storm pass. I think that Comey suffers from some pretty big hubris though and felt like he was the only one who could defend truth and justice as he saw it. I also think he was a non-politician playing a politicians game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    I think that Comey suffers from some pretty big hubris though and felt like he was the only one who could defend truth and justice as he saw it. I also think he was a non-politician playing a politicians game.
    I agree. After all the dust is settled, Comey appears as a spazz, an eagle scout who did what he thought was best, but made everything worse.

    One of Comey's better moments was when Trump threatened "he better hope I didn't have a recording of our conversation!" which Comey brushed off as nothing, and we all thought was an odd threat out of the blue.

    A year later, we find Trump's practice of secretly recording people to gather Kompromat & trying to use Sistema to enforce allegiance is boomeranging on him in the form of his ex-lawyer and former reality TV show protégé, who both have the audacity to actually use recordings against their former boss.

    And regular Republicans finally started finding their voices when the Kompromat/Sistema manipulation model resulted in Trump disgracing the presidency and the nation in Helsinki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    I agree. After all the dust is settled, Comey appears as a spazz, an eagle scout who did what he thought was best, but made everything worse.
    He fell into the timeless trap of trying to please everyone, or nearly everyone.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    He fell into the timeless trap of trying to please everyone, or nearly everyone.

    And he assumed that Hillary would win and that he would not affect the outcome, and he didn't want Chaffetz, Gowdy, et al coming after him after the election. He was trying to inoculate himself and the FBI from the house intelligence committee.

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    Ugh. Not America's finest moment.

    The time a president deported 1 million Mexican Americans for supposedly stealing U.S. jobs

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6f1b21bfd9e6

    This all took place during the 1930s. Oddly enough, Herbert Hoover is (justly) mentioned repeatedly, and Trump is mentioned three times, but Franklin Roosevelt's name doesn't appear in this story.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    He fell into the timeless trap of trying to please everyone, or nearly everyone.
    Let's not forget the utter incompetence of Loretta Lynch, a vacuum which sucked in some good people.

    Aside from all of this, by all accounts of people I know in the FBI, Comey was highly liked and respected as an FBI Director. There was some initial skepticism considering who appointed him, but it seems they also like and respect Wray. There was fear he would be a puppet of Trump and that doesn't appear to be the case.


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    What Was Bruce Ohr Doing?

    Justice releases some damning documents, but much of the truth is still classified.

    ByKimberley A. Strassel


    The Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department have continued to insist they did nothing wrong in their Trump-Russia investigation. This week should finally bring an end to that claim, given the clear evidence of malfeasance via the use of Bruce Ohr.

    Mr. Ohr was until last year associate deputy attorney general. He began feeding information to the FBI from dossier author Christopher Steele in late 2016—after the FBI had terminated Mr. Steele as a confidential informant for violating the bureau’s rules. He also collected dirt from Glenn Simpson, cofounder of Fusion GPS, the opposition-research firm that worked for Hillary Clinton’s campaign and employed Mr. Steele. Altogether, the FBI pumped Mr. Ohr for information at least a dozen times, debriefs that remain in classified 302 forms.

    All the while, Mr. Ohr failed to disclose on financial forms that his wife, Nellie, worked alongside Mr. Steele in 2016, getting paid by Mr. Simpson for anti-Trump research. The Justice Department has now turned over Ohr documents to Congress that show how deeply tied up he was with the Clinton crew—with dozens of emails, calls, meetings and notes that describe his interactions and what he collected.

    Mr. Ohr’s conduct is itself deeply troubling. He was acting as a witness (via FBI interviews) in a case being overseen by a Justice Department in which he held a very senior position. He appears to have concealed this role from at least some superiors, since Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein testified that he’d been unaware of Mr. Ohr’s intermediary status.

    Lawyers meanwhile note that it is a crime for a federal official to participate in any government matter in which he has a financial interest. Fusion’s bank records presumably show Nellie Ohr, and by extension her husband, benefiting from the Trump opposition research that Mr. Ohr continued to pass to the FBI. The Justice Department declined to comment.


    But for all Mr. Ohr’s misdeeds, the worse misconduct is by the FBI and Justice Department. It’s bad enough that the bureau relied on a dossier crafted by a man in the employ of the rival presidential campaign. Bad enough that it never informed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of that dossier’s provenance. And bad enough that the FBI didn’t fire Mr. Steele as a confidential human source in September 2016 when it should have been obvious he was leaking FBI details to the press to harm Donald Trump’s electoral chances. It terminated him only when it was absolutely forced to, after Mr. Steele gave an on-the-record interview on Oct. 31, 2016.

    But now we discover the FBI continued to go to this discredited informant in its investigation after the firing—by funneling his information via a Justice Department cutout. The FBI has an entire manual governing the use of confidential sources, with elaborate rules on validations, standards and documentation. Mr. Steele failed these standards. The FBI then evaded its own program to get at his info anyway.


    And it did so even though we have evidence that lead FBI investigators may have suspected Mr. Ohr was a problem. An Oct. 7, 2016, text message from now-fired FBI agent Peter Strzok to his colleague Lisa Page reads: “Jesus. More BO leaks in the NYT,” which could be a reference to Mr. Ohr.


    The FBI may also have been obtaining, via Mr. Ohr, information that came from a man the FBI had never even vetted as a source—Mr. Simpson. Mr. Steele had at least worked with the FBI before; Mr. Simpson was a paid political operative. And the Ohr notes raise further doubts about Mr. Simpson’s forthrightness. In House testimony in November 2017, Mr. Simpson said only that he reached out to Mr. Ohr after the election, and at Mr. Steele’s suggestion. But Mr. Ohr’s inbox shows an email from Mr. Simpson dated Aug. 22, 2016 that reads, in full: “Can u ring.”


    The Justice Department hasn’t tried to justify any of this; in fact, last year it quietly demoted Mr. Ohr. In what smells of a further admission of impropriety, it didn’t initially turn over the Ohr documents; Congress had to fight to get them.


    But it raises at least two further crucial questions. First, who authorized or knew about this improper procedure? Mr. Strzok seems to be in the thick of it, having admitted to Congress interactions with Mr. Ohr at the end of 2016. While Mr. Rosenstein disclaims knowledge, Mr. Ohr’s direct supervisor at the time was the previous deputy attorney general, Sally Yates. Who else in former FBI Director Jim Comey’s inner circle and at the Obama Justice Department nodded at the FBI’s back-door interaction with a sacked source and a Clinton operative?


    Second, did the FBI continue to submit Steele- or Simpson-sourced information to the FISA court? Having informed the court in later applications that it had fired Mr. Steele, the FBI would have had no business continuing to use any Steele information laundered through an intermediary.

    We could have these answers pronto; they rest in part in those Ohr 302 forms. And so once again: a call for President Trump to declassify.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-wa...d=hp_opin_pos3
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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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