Life in the Trump Era, Part 2

[Two Utes]

Is that supposed to be seen as noble?

You expressed a distaste for prosecutors, but lawyers of all shapes and sizes can play the horrible game.

There is a really big difference between private lawyers playing "the horrible game" as you characterize it, and prosecutors who have the power to take away your freedom.

[sancho]

There is a really big difference between private lawyers playing "the horrible game" as you characterize it, and prosecutors who have the power to take away your freedom.

Sure, there are different levels of bad.

"Zealously representing a client" is not always a good thing.

[Two Utes]

Sure, there are different levels of bad.

"Zealously representing a client" is not always a good thing.

"different levels of bad" What a joke. You understand that the reason commerce happens the way it does in America is because of the rule of law, which is based upon and requires lawyers to zealously represent their clients's interest in order to enforce agreements.

You are a flat out caveman if you can't understand the critical role lawyers play in this system--which requires advocating their client's position.

[sancho]

"different levels of bad" What a joke. You understand that the reason commerce happens the way it does in America is because of the rule of law, which is based upon and requires lawyers to zealously represent their clients's interest in order to enforce agreements.

You are a flat out caveman if you can't understand the critical role lawyers play in this system--which requires advocating their client's position.

I didn't say that zealously representing a client is necessarily a bad thing. I said it isn't always a good thing. Just like not all prosecutors are bad. Some are good. A bad prosecutor is particularly awful because of the implications for the innocent.

Corruption can happen everywhere, even in law offices.

[SeattleUte]

I didn't say that zealously representing a client is necessarily a bad thing. I said it isn't always a good thing. Just like not all prosecutors are bad. Some are good. A bad prosecutor is particularly awful because of the implications for the innocent.

Corruption can happen everywhere, even in law offices.

You’re so confused. Lawyers are supposed to be zealous, it’s our ethical obligation, particularly in criminal matters. The only limitation is that we not make frivolous arguments to a court or ourselves break the law. Nobody claims Giuliani has not done anything dishonest. In fact, any fool with a law degree should know that Giuliani should do whatever it takes to keep Trump from testifying, and that has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence. Clinton was impeached and disbarred because while testifying he argued with a prosecutor about whether fellatio absent organism is sex—purportedly that was purjury. When Giuliani said he Trump could have shot Comey and not been indicted he was employing a rhetorical device to make his point that the president is immune from prosecution. I don’t know if his point is legally correct, but it’s not unusual for lawyers to disagree over what the law is.

[sancho]

You’re so confused. Lawyers are supposed to be zealous, it’s our ethical obligation

You're taking me back to grad school. My roommates were all law students, and they were completely sold on the idea that the ethics of practicing law have all been worked out. They - obviously - aren't as smart as you, but they never convinced me that everything is 100% black or white.

[UTEopia]

You’re so confused. Lawyers are supposed to be zealous, it’s our ethical obligation, particularly in criminal matters. The only limitation is that we not make frivolous arguments to a court or ourselves break the law.

I also think it is our ethical responsibility to not suborn perjury or to lie.

[tooblue]

"different levels of bad" What a joke. You understand that the reason commerce happens the way it does in America is because of the rule of law, which is based upon and requires lawyers to zealously represent their clients's interest in order to enforce agreements.

You are a flat out caveman if you can't understand the critical role lawyers play in this system--which requires advocating their client's position.

"When you resort to highlighting and justifying the importance of your existence, you have lost the argument." —tooblue

[Rocker Ute]

So, considering that a President maybe technically could pardon himself, why does the legislature not simply fix this 'loophole' of sorts? It would seem passing a simple law stating a president can't pardon himself of crimes would have broad support among the public. This isn't just for Trump but any president in the future.

[U-Ute]

This isn't just for Trump but any president in the future.

This is why. Eventually they may want it to happen.