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    . you are obsessed in the wrong direction
    If we're talking obsession with politics, all the directions are wrong.

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    Dershowitz: Targeting Trump's lawyer should worry us all

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

    Short op-ed, worth reading.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Dershowitz: Targeting Trump's lawyer should worry us all

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

    Short op-ed, worth reading.

    I hate this guy. But I agree with him here. The government could always use the fraud exception to infiltrate attorney client communications. This is not good for America.

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    These aren't dumb people though, and they are also Trump appointees and so you've got to believe that they recognized that this may be the most scrutinized search warrant of all time involving a man for which they presumably have some loyalty. I can't imagine they would have used any sort of loophole just to get a peek under the hood of sorts, particularly because if that got exposed their careers would be ruined from here on out.

    The level of scrutiny an ordinary raid of an attorney's office is high, mix in the President and it is off the charts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    These aren't dumb people though, and they are also Trump appointees and so you've got to believe that they recognized that this may be the most scrutinized search warrant of all time involving a man for which they presumably have some loyalty. I can't imagine they would have used any sort of loophole just to get a peek under the hood of sorts, particularly because if that got exposed their careers would be ruined from here on out.

    The level of scrutiny an ordinary raid of an attorney's office is high, mix in the President and it is off the charts.
    My guess is that this warrant has nothing to do with Russia or collusion, and everything to do with what Cohen has been doing. I will further venture a guess that the folks at CNN are breathless about this whole thing and are not talking about why the warrant is probably not related to collusion.


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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    My guess is that this warrant has nothing to do with Russia or collusion, and everything to do with what Cohen has been doing. I will further venture a guess that the folks at CNN are breathless about this whole thing and are not talking about why the warrant is probably not related to collusion.


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    I think that is absolutely correct and also why Mueller would pass this on to the proper authorities vs pursuing it with his team. CNN has become comical in its coverage. Coming soon, Chris Chilliza writes another '23 astounding things Trump said without saying anything, (21 of them are not all that astounding)' editorial.

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    This is amazing. EDIT: But sadly not true. I missed the satire tag on the article. Still, I think Bezos is evil genius enough to actually do it.

    Amazon Apologizes for Shipping Ten Thousand Copies of Comey’s Book to White House

    Response from Bezos:

    Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, said that he had “absolutely no idea” how the ten thousand Comey books made their way to the White House, but advised Trump to follow the procedures on the Amazon Web site for returning unwanted merchandise.

    “You can print up the return labels at home,” he said. “The books should be picked up and out of there in two weeks, three weeks, max.”

    Bezos said that shipping the ten thousand books back to the company’s warehouse would not be overly costly for Amazon. “We get an amazing deal on postage,” he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    This is amazing. EDIT: But sadly not true. I missed the satire tag on the article. Still, I think Bezos is evil genius enough to actually do it.

    Amazon Apologizes for Shipping Ten Thousand Copies of Comey’s Book to White House

    Response from Bezos:
    I was thinking this was from the Onion.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    I did not like the Lawrence Walsh episode or the Ken Starr episode. They both hurt the country. I think Mueller might well do the same thing.

    *****

    The Last Special Counsel

    By RICH LOWRY

    April 13, 2018 6:30 AM


    The gravitational pull of special counsel investigations is toward expansion. They should not continue after Mueller.

    Donald Trump shouldn’t fire Robert Mueller, but Mueller should be the last special counsel. The Mueller probe just took a Ken Starr turn with its lurch, via the Southern District of New York, into the Stormy Daniels affair.

    After the Starr investigation in the 1990s, there was a consensus that we weren’t doing that again, certainly not through the independent counsel statute, which lapsed. The law put investigations on a hair trigger and carved out independent counsels, executive branch officials, from control of the chief executive in a constitutionally impermissible way. Endless politically fraught investigations ensued that often exhibited a zeal disproportionate to the alleged crime.

    It’s too early to render a verdict on Mueller’s work, but he certainly appears to have become a kind of free-floating legal ombudsman.

    In response to Trump’s blustery attacks on Mueller, a bipartisan group of lawmakers is calling for legal protections against Mueller’s removal that would be an ill-advised step back toward the independent counsel statute. Instead, we should be thinking of whether this is the best way to hold presidents accountable in the future. As a practical matter, it’s hard to imagine any administration ever permitting such an investigation to get unloosed again.


    Even if Trump is fully vindicated, the probe has exacted a significant price, and much of the left considers the Mueller probe a resistance march with subpoena power.


    In his famous dissent in the Supreme Court case of Morrison v. Olson upholding the independent counsel law in 1988, Antonin Scalia wrote, “Nothing is so politically effective as the ability to charge that one’s opponent and his associates are not merely wrongheaded, naive, ineffective, but, in all probability, ‘crooks.’ And nothing so effectively gives an appearance of validity to such charges as a Justice Department investigation and, even better, prosecution.”


    This is why each side celebrates when it can get such an investigation going — and they know it will ramify in unpredictable, harmful ways.


    Scalia quoted FDR’s attorney general, Robert Jackson, who warned against prosecutors picking a person to investigate rather than a crime, lest it become a matter of “searching the law books, or putting investigators to work, to pin some offense on him.”


    Now, obviously, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, a Trump appointee, didn’t intend to create such a dynamic (although his initial mandate to Mueller was much too broad). And Trump brought this all on himself with his ham-fisted firing of FBI Director James Comey.


    But the trajectory would be maddening for any president. He’s gone from Comey telling him he wasn’t suspected of wrongdoing to his personal lawyer being raided. He’s gone from his deputy attorney general blessing a counterintelligence investigation into Russian meddling to blessing FBI agents seizing material related to hush payments to a porn star.


    Now it very well may be that every step on that path by Mueller was justified legally, the same as Ken Starr’s trajectory from Whitewater to Monica Lewinsky. But the gravitational pull of such investigations is toward expansion.


    By the end, the Starr investigation was a pure partisan fight for power. The same will be true of the Mueller probe, if it isn’t already. This puts the lie to the idea that such investigations can ever be truly above politics.


    It’s possible to imagine a different scenario over the past year. Congress could have created an independent commission to investigate Russia. Career prosecutors could have handled the Paul Manafort investigation. The Southern District could have, on its own, taken up the Daniels matter. And if Congress didn’t act or the Trump Justice Department quashed legitimate investigations, Democrats could have used it to build their case for the midterms — and for wielding the subpoena and impeachment power.


    This effort wouldn’t have been as centralized and fearsome as Mueller’s operation, but it would have been more politically accountable and open.

    All this is moot now, of course, but both sides should eventually consider whether they want another Robert Mueller.

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    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...R5PM%20Actives
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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Life in the Trump Era, Part 2

    Trump's continued childish rants on Twitter regarding Mueller, Comey and everyone else adds fuel to the fire for me that the investigation should continue.

    Comey may have had missteps regarding the HRC investigation and announcement and the FBI investigation on the Russian collusion, but he is also a man who built his career based off of his ethics and trustworthiness. I will note those things don't make you a good FBI Director, but up to that point his reputation and integrity were above reproach by virtually every account. In other words there is reason to believe what he is saying.

    Contrast that with Trump who is such a compulsive liar that he continues to lie about things that are so obviously and demonstrably false, it is hard to take seriously the accusations from him that what he is saying is false. In fact, if Trump was being honest he'd anxiously produce the tapes of their conversations he once claimed he had.

    I'm supremely disappointed the GOP would send a hatchet job on Comey through all of this in partnership with the White House, particularly in such a childish and Trumpian way. "Lyin' Comey"? C'mon.


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    If I were a more cynical person, I’d be making note about the amount of news that came out today followed up by news that we were launching missiles at Syria. But living life like that sounds exhausting.


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    The OIG report.

    A Report of Investigation of Certain Allegations Relating to Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe

    https://static01.nyt.com/files/2018/...abe-report.pdf

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Ruh-roh.

    The Real Investigation

    The one in the Southern District of New York, involving Michael Cohen and apparent hush-money payoffs, is a serious peril for Trump.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ril-for-trump/

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    If pursued seriously and widely, this strategy is how we will get more Trump.

    The Great Lesson of California in America’s New Civil War
    Why there’s no bipartisan way forward at this juncture in our history — one side must win


    https://medium.com/s/state-of-the-fu...ar-e52e2861f30

    "In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there’s no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward. The way forward is on the path California blazed about 15 years ago.
    ...

    At some point, one side or the other must win — and win big. The side resisting change, usually the one most rooted in the past systems and incumbent interests, must be thoroughly defeated — not just for a political cycle or two, but for a generation or two.
    ...

    Now the entire Republican Party, and the entire conservative movement that has controlled it for the past four decades, is fully positioned for the final takedown that will cast them out for a long period of time in the political wilderness. They deserve it.
    ...

    America can’t afford more political paralysis. One side or the other must win. This is a civil war that can be won without firing a shot. But it is a fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order.

    California, as usual, resolved it early. The Democrats won; the Republicans lost. The conservative way forward lost; the progressive way forward began. As we’ve laid out in this series, California is the future, always about 15 years ahead of the rest of the country. That means that America, starting in 2018, is going to resolve it, too."
    They think this will all happen without anyone firing a shot. Yeah, right.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Ruh-roh.

    The Real Investigation

    The one in the Southern District of New York, involving Michael Cohen and apparent hush-money payoffs, is a serious peril for Trump.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ril-for-trump/
    I have a friend who follows this stuff really closely. I haven't read the article yet, but this is apparently about a violation of election laws. You can't receive a benefit like this even if it isn't described as a donation. The democrat dude a few years ago whose wife was suffering from cancer did the same thing. Cohen, in statements to third parties and the media, has basically admitted he broke the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    I have a friend who follows this stuff really closely. I haven't read the article yet, but this is apparently about a violation of election laws. You can't receive a benefit like this even if it isn't described as a donation. The democrat dude a few years ago whose wife was suffering from cancer did the same thing. Cohen, in statements to third parties and the media, has basically admitted he broke the law.
    But that stuff is enforced by the Federal Election Commission, isn't it? When does the DOJ get involved in election law violations? (Non-partisan question.)

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Ruh-roh.

    The Real Investigation

    The one in the Southern District of New York, involving Michael Cohen and apparent hush-money payoffs, is a serious peril for Trump.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ril-for-trump/
    Yeah, I've felt all along that this "Russian collusion" thing wouldn't go anywhere and that the real trouble will be State charges for things like money laundering.

    But, like breaking up any organized/racketeering group, you have to start with a crack.

    I'm on the fence as to whether or not Trump himself will end up being tied up in this. My guess is not, but who knows at this point.

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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Why is it no surprise that Cohen's other "hush money" client was none other than Sean Hannity.

    Every day the interconnectedness of all these slime balls becomes more and more apparent.

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    Why is it no surprise that Cohen's other "hush money" client was none other than Sean Hannity.

    Every day the interconnectedness of all these slime balls becomes more and more apparent.
    As you drain the swamp, things get very concentrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Why is it no surprise that Cohen's other "hush money" client was none other than Sean Hannity.

    Every day the interconnectedness of all these slime balls becomes more and more apparent.
    He's done on Fox News if this is true. That will be the end of one more show that I never watch.

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    The judge burns Cohen's attorneys.


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    McConnell is refusing to put a law making it more difficult to fire the Mueller as special counsel on the floor because he believes Trump won't fire Mueller and thus it is unnecessary. I also wonder if he doesn't lock his doors on his home because a break-in is even more unlikely.

    Does he think it is unlikely because Trump has outright threatened and frequently alluded to wanting to do it? Or is it unlikely because he is considering firing Sessions and Rosenstein? Does he also not realize that these frequent threats are also possibly affected the investigation?

    Our leaders are spineless. Congress' role is to be a check and balance on the executive branch yet they almost never serve that role. I'd love a clean sweep of Congress.


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    Indeed.


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    Indeed.
    I guess, but "party over country" has been Congress' motto for a very long time.

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    I guess, but "party over country" has been Congress' motto for a very long time.
    True, the left did the exact same stuff when they were in power and this whole cycle will continue on and on (unless we the people hold them all accountable).


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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I guess, but "party over country" has been Congress' motto for a very long time.
    But now it is "donor base over country." The GOP's Freedom Caucus, for example, cares nothing about the party and everything about their donor base. Same is true of sub-groups on the other side of the aisle.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    I still maintain the two party system is the problem with US Politics.

    As long as there are no other truly viable options, the people really won’t matter.


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    So Trump is willing to launch missiles at Syria but not sanction Russia over its bad behavior. (Although shouldn't the chemical weapons be gone in Syria per the arrangement Obama brokered with the Russians back in the day?) Fascinating to see how Trump continues to react to them particularly through the lens of an investigation against him and his aides underway. You'd think he'd be demonstrating everything he could that Russia was not his friend.

    The thing is Russia doesn't need to have actual evidence of 'kompromat' on Trump, all they need is to say things that are true. I can see a situation where they sent prostitutes to Trump and perhaps even without his request or consent did some very salacious things and then reported back on what they did. Then you just need to SAY you have footage of it and he is your puppet.

    Or you need to have significant debt held by a much richer man than yourself, like Putin, which is also a big possibility. But we don't know that either because Trump won't let anyone see his taxes.

    Of course, maybe there is some things we don't know and can't see but it is hard to believe a man like Trump could remain silent about that, or even to say in defense of his own ego, "You people don't know what I do about Russia... believe me. Big hands."

    Strange times and strange behavior that should raise a red flag for just about anyone.




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    Trump Is Making Everyone a Little Like Him

    In March, Ashley Merryman wrote in The Washington Post about how the president’s demeanor could influence the nation. “Behaviors such as aggression, anger, blaming, bullying, dishonesty, greed, narcissism, negativity, profanity and incivility are all social contagions,” she wrote. “A social contagion describes how others’ actions infect mood and behavior, just as you might catch someone’s flu. With prolonged exposure, you’re at greater risk, but even a brief event—reading one tweet or watching a video clip—can affect behavior.”

    If there really is a social contagion, the president’s critics are patient zero.
    Ugh. Interesting and depressing piece:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ke-him/558227/

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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