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    Life in the Trump Era, Part 2

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    He is a narcissist and at bottom is a mobster. To him there isn't much difference between being a mobster and an autocrat. He can subvert democracy without being Caligula. LA Ute is just rationalizing.
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Omar bails out Trump

    Democrats used to be happily united in their opposition to Trump. It’s getting more complicated.

    By ELIANA JOHNSON and MELANIE ZANONA
    03/07/2019 07:22 PM EST

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...n-omar-1211798

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Omar bails out Trump

    Democrats used to be happily united in their opposition to Trump. It’s getting more complicated.

    By ELIANA JOHNSON and MELANIE ZANONA
    03/07/2019 07:22 PM EST

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...n-omar-1211798
    I agree with Trump that the media fans many of the flames that divide the country. Of course, the finger-pointing politicians from both parties are the ones who primarily provide the fuel and the match. The Omar statement is one of those. I have a hard time viewing the statement that pro-Israel groups give money to politicians who take pro-Israel positions is an expression of anti-Semitism. I expect pro-Israel groups to give money to politicians who support pro-Israel positions just as I expect the NRA give money to politicians who oppose gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I agree with Trump that the media fans many of the flames that divide the country. Of course, the finger-pointing politicians from both parties are the ones who primarily provide the fuel and the match. The Omar statement is one of those. I have a hard time viewing the statement that pro-Israel groups give money to politicians who take pro-Israel positions is an expression of anti-Semitism. I expect pro-Israel groups to give money to politicians who support pro-Israel positions just as I expect the NRA give money to politicians who oppose gun control.
    I haven’t delved into this controversy much, but it seems the complaint is that she suggested divided loyalty among Jewish supporters of Israel. That’s clearly a hot-button issue. Even Rahm Emanuel wrote an op-es attacking her.

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Jason Riley, Wall Street Journal:

    On Twitter, Mr. Trump criticized McCain for the 2017 breaking of his promise to support repeal of the Affordable Care Act and also for McCain’s role in circulating the unverified Steele dossier with its claims of Trump-Russia collusion.

    Mr. Trump tweeted that McCain embraced the dossier before the 2016 election when recent testimony suggests it was just after the election. Also, Mr. Trump claimed on Twitter that McCain finished last in his class at the U.S. Naval Academy when most reports indicate McCain actually finished fifth from the bottom.

    Let’s hope for more accuracy from the President in the future, but he and many other Americans seem to have every right to be angry. On Thursday Rowan Scarborough reported for the Washington Times:

    David Kramer, the then-Sen. John McCain aide who leaked the discredited Christopher Steele dossier on President Trump, testified in a libel case that he spread the unsubstantiated anti-Trump material all over Washington during the presidential transition.

    Mr. Kramer shared the Clinton-funded collection of unverified claims with numerous media outlets including BuzzFeed, which published it without verifying its contents. Mr. Scarborough continues:

    Mr. Steele, whose mission was to sink the Trump campaign and then his presidency, believed Mr. McCain’s involvement would give “the FBI additional prod to take this seriously,” Mr. Kramer testified.

    “I shared with [Mr. McCain] the document, and he took some time to review it, he asked me what I thought he should do, and I suggested that he provide a copy of it to the Director of the FBI and the Director of the CIA,” Mr. Kramer testified.

    Mr. McCain shared the document with the FBI’s then-director James Comey, who had already seen it, while McCain’s associate leaked it far and wide to the media. The litigation also reveals that according to Mr. Steele, one of his sources was nothing more than a viewer comment posted on CNN’s website. Mr. Scarborough reports:

    The libel lawsuit was brought by Russian businessman Aleksej Gubarev. Mr. Steele accused him of conducting the hacking into Democratic Party computers — a charge the Russian denied from the start.

    Mr. Steele said the charge came from unsolicited information and that he tried to verify it on an internet site called CNN iReport. Mr. Steele testified that he relied on an article on XBT, Mr. Gubarev’s firm, published on July 28, 2009.

    Mr. Steele was asked by Mr. Gubarev’s attorney, Evan Fray-Witzer, “Do you understand that they have no connection to any CNN reporters”?

    “I do not,” he answered.

    The attorney added, “Do you understand that CNN iReports are or were nothing more than any random individuals’ assertions on the internet?”

    Mr. Steele: “I obviously presume that if it is on a CNN site that it has some kind of CNN status.”

    The dossier did not even meet the journalistic standards of CNN?

    As for Mr. McCain’s oft-repeated pledge to eliminate the so-called Affordable Care Act, it was the key to extending his Senate career. “In fight of his political life, McCain hammers Obamacare,” said a Politico headline in 2016. The publication’s Jennifer Haberkorn and Theodoric Meyer reported at the time:

    John McCain is running for reelection like it’s 2010.

    The Arizona Republican has made his opposition to Obamacare — which dominated Senate races across the country six years ago — a central point of his campaign, by all accounts, the toughest reelection fight of his career.

    ... The issue helps him run to the right of his GOP primary opponent, while also taking a direct shot at his Democratic opponent, Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, who called her 2010 vote for the law the one she’s “most proud about.”

    “I think it’s a very strong issue,” McCain told POLITICO about his focus on Obamacare.

    It turned out to be strong enough to get him re-elected, but not strong enough to make him keep his promise.

    As long as Americans remember the bravery of our military, they will recall the courage of John McCain during his captivity in the infamous “Hanoi Hilton” prison operated by the communist government of North Vietnam.

    But Americans should also recognize that Mr. McCain’s role in promoting unverified conspiracy theories generated by the President’s political opponents was not the late senator’s finest hour. And neither was his breaking of a signature campaign pledge.
    Disgusting behavior in opposition to a disgusting person. Hard to find anyone to cheer for in this situation.

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    The only winner is Team Chaos.

    Embrace Team Chaos.

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    Touching: Trump Visits McCain's Grave Every Day To Yell At It

    https://babylonbee.com/news/touching...aign=mattwalsh

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Prediction: If the Mueller report finds no collusion, Mueller will suddenly be praised as a wise patriot by those who’ve been lambasting him, and attacked by those who’ve been placing high hopes on him finding collusion. If he does find collusion, the reactions will be reversed.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Prediction: If the Mueller report finds no collusion, Mueller will suddenly be praised as a wise patriot by those who’ve been lambasting him, and attacked by those who’ve been placing high hopes on him finding collusion. If he does find collusion, the reactions will be reversed.
    If there are impeachment level findings, I will lambast him for taking so long. I can't imagine he would sit on something major for so long.

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    Here’s the letter from the Attorney General about the Mueller report:

    https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com...f6ccb1a89e.pdf

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Here’s the letter from the Attorney General about the Mueller report:

    https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com...f6ccb1a89e.pdf
    My summary:

    Did Russia attempt to interfere? Yes, by using social media to sow discord and by hacking and disclosing e-mails of Clinton, Clinton staffers and DNC.

    Was Russia successful? Sowing discord - yes (my opinion); disclosing e-mails - yes; causing people to change votes - who knows?

    Did Trump or Trump campaign coordinate with Russia's efforts - No evidence of collusion.

    Did Trump Obstruct Justice - Chose to gather evidence and set out supporting and opposing evidence without reaching a conclusion or exonerating Trump.

    Where do we go now? The Dems in Congress will choose to seek to impeach Trump for obstruction or to not. I, for one, hope they do not. Use the evidence in the campaign against him, but try to focus on issues and not Trump. Dems will only win if they focus on issues and not the Trump circus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Here’s the letter from the Attorney General about the Mueller report:

    https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com...f6ccb1a89e.pdf
    Well, I have to say I trust Mueller, and respect the process & the work he's done.

    Hopefully, the discussion can begin to migrate toward talking about policy again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    Well, I have to say I trust Mueller, and respect the process & the work he's done.

    Hopefully, the discussion can begin to migrate toward talking about policy again.
    Amen. This thing just has to come to an end.

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Amen. This thing just has to come to an end.
    It won’t.

    Trump is already calling for Congress and the DOJ to investigate the “other side”.

    And of course there are issues with so many other things around Trump that I doubt there will ever not be a day of questions and investigations.





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    Well, never mind.


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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    It won’t.

    Trump is already calling for Congress and the DOJ to investigate the “other side”.

    And of course there are issues with so many other things around Trump that I doubt there will ever not be a day of questions and investigations.
    Of course people are now asking questions about how all this happened. This Russian collusion story is now the biggest political dirty trick in US history. If the Democrats would let go of it there wouldn’t be enough news and entertainment media support to sustain a counter-narrative by Republicans. So far it doesn’t look like they will let go.

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Of course people are now asking questions about how all this happened. This Russian collusion story is now the biggest political dirty trick in US history. If the Democrats would let go of it there wouldn’t be enough news and entertainment media support to sustain a counter-narrative by Republicans. So far it doesn’t look like they will let go.
    You’re nothing if not predictable LA


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    Life in the Trump Era, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    You’re nothing if not predictable LA


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    Not so. I’m full of surprises.

    But enough about me. As a law enforcement officer, what do you think about a two-year investigation based on a claim of conspiracy between a United States president and the government of Russia, our biggest geopolitical foe (at least according to some people), when at the end of the investigation the conclusion is that there not only is not enough evidence to prove that conspiracy theory, there is no evidence? Don’t you think people would naturally be asking some questions about how on earth we got to this point? Even if the president in question is a repulsive person to many Americans? Doesn’t somebody, or maybe a lot of people, have a lot of explaining to do?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Not so. I’m full of surprises.

    But enough about me. As a law enforcement officer, what do you think about a two-year investigation based on a claim of conspiracy between a United States president and the government of Russia, our biggest geopolitical foe (at least according to some people), when at the end of the investigation the conclusion is that there not only is not enough evidence to prove that conspiracy theory, there is no evidence? Don’t you think people would naturally be asking some questions about how on earth we got to this point? Even if the president in question is a repulsive person to many Americans?
    I think you should wait to see the entire file (which won’t ever happen) before claiming there’s no evidence of things.

    But I can’t tell you how many investigations I’ve done that lead to no evidence. Many we know what happened, but we don’t have actual evidence to prove it. But I’m sure you know that happens often as well.

    Law is messy, unless it’s Law & Order. Dong dong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Of course people are now asking questions about how all this happened. This Russian collusion story is now the biggest political dirty trick in US history. If the Democrats would let go of it there wouldn’t be enough news and entertainment media support to sustain a counter-narrative by Republicans. So far it doesn’t look like they will let go.
    You know their wouldn't have been an independent counsel investigation if the only evidence out there was the Steele dossier. And Trump and his cronies have shown themselves to be untrustworthy, so it's quite reasonable to assume there might have been collusion, warranting an investigation.
    The House Dems. will definitely do some further investigation of the Russia meddling, but I hope they focus more on campaign contribution/inaugural issues. I'd prefer they leave all of that to the DoJ, but that's hoping for too much. I certainly hope Republicans in Congress don't start talking about investigating "the other side" when they've already had two years to do it and have chosen not to.
    As everyone has said, let's move on to the regular issues, where there will be as much accomplished as was by the Mueller investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Not so. I’m full of surprises.

    But enough about me. As a law enforcement officer, what do you think about a two-year investigation based on a claim of conspiracy between a United States president and the government of Russia, our biggest geopolitical foe (at least according to some people), when at the end of the investigation the conclusion is that there not only is not enough evidence to prove that conspiracy theory, there is no evidence? Don’t you think people would naturally be asking some questions about how on earth we got to this point? Even if the president in question is a repulsive person to many Americans? Doesn’t somebody, or maybe a lot of people, have a lot of explaining to do?
    No evidence of anything? This investigation was about a number of things, not just whether Trump colluded. It was about whether Russia interfered in the elections and how they went about doing it. Not only was evidence uncovered, people were indicted. It was about obstruction of justice, where evidence was uncovered and people indicted - the choice to not indict Trump does not, as the report states, exonerate him.

    Now, I would like to move forward, but neither side will allow it. Too many Democrats are obsessed with Trump the mob-boss. Meanwhile, Trump and his mouthpieces keep saying total exoneration, which it wasn't. That is the
    Trump bait that in part keeps this thing in the news. He wants to be the victim. It gives him crap to shout about at his rallies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Not so. I’m full of surprises.

    But enough about me. As a law enforcement officer, what do you think about a two-year investigation based on a claim of conspiracy between a United States president and the government of Russia, our biggest geopolitical foe (at least according to some people), when at the end of the investigation the conclusion is that there not only is not enough evidence to prove that conspiracy theory, there is no evidence? Don’t you think people would naturally be asking some questions about how on earth we got to this point? Even if the president in question is a repulsive person to many Americans? Doesn’t somebody, or maybe a lot of people, have a lot of explaining to do?
    There was some evidence, maybe no direct evidence. Like Diehard says, it would be good to see all of the evidence.
    One thing we can conclude from this, one thing we anti-Trumpers should have always kept in the forefront, was that Russia didn't need to coordinate with the Trump campaign to accomplish its ends. It sowed discord with false information, and arguably helped to get its man elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    You know their wouldn't have been an independent counsel investigation if the only evidence out there was the Steele dossier. And Trump and his cronies have shown themselves to be untrustworthy, so it's quite reasonable to assume there might have been collusion, warranting an investigation.

    The House Dems. will definitely do some further investigation of the Russia meddling, but I hope they focus more on campaign contribution/inaugural issues. I'd prefer they leave all of that to the DoJ, but that's hoping for too much. I certainly hope Republicans in Congress don't start talking about investigating "the other side" when they've already had two years to do it and have chosen not to.

    As everyone has said, let's move on to the regular issues, where there will be as much accomplished as was by the Mueller investigation.


    Well, in addition to the Steele Dossier there was a conversation overheard in a bar. Kimberly Strassel:
    This is more than an exoneration. It’s a searing indictment of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as well as a reminder of the need to know the story behind the bureau’s corrosive investigation.

    Mr. Mueller’s report likely doesn’t put it that way, but it’s the logical conclusion of his no-collusion finding. The FBI unleashed its powers on a candidate for the office of the U.S. presidency, an astonishing first. It did so on the incredible grounds that the campaign had conspired to aid a foreign government. And it used the most aggressive tools in its arsenal—surveillance of U.S. citizens, secret subpoenas of phone records and documents, even human informants.

    The wreckage is everywhere. The nation has been engulfed in conspiracy theories for years. A presidency was hemmed in by the threat of a special counsel. Citizens have gone to jail not for conspiracy, but for after-the-fact interactions with Mr. Mueller’s team. Dozens more have spent enormous amounts of money and time defending their reputations.

    None of this should ever have happened absent highly compelling evidence—from the start—of wrongdoing. Yet from what we know, the FBI operated on the basis of an overheard conversation of third-tier campaign aide George Papadopoulos, as well as a wild “dossier” financed by the rival presidential campaign. Mr. Mueller’s no-collusion finding amounts to a judgment that there never was any evidence. The Papadopoulos claim was thin, the dossier a fabrication.

    Which is all the more reason Americans now deserve a full accounting of the missteps of former FBI Director James Comey and his team—in part so that this never happens again. That includes the following: What “evidence” did the FBI have in totality? What efforts did the bureau take to verify it? Did it corroborate anything before launching its probe? What role did political players play? How aware was the FBI that it was being gulled into a dirty-trick operation, and if so, how did it justify proceeding? How intrusive were the FBI methods? And who was harmed?

    I don't want another special counsel but I think the FBI's OIG should investigate this and issue a report. He'll need broad access to classified currently classified material.
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    Here’s the letter from the Attorney General about the Mueller report:

    https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com...f6ccb1a89e.pdf

    This will not go over well on UF.N
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    Agreed. The Dems have exactly one agenda item, and it was set before Trump even assumed office. Impeach. They'll never give it up.
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    I will say it again. I detest Donald Trumps's behavior and I opposed him with all I had when he was running for the nomination. I didn't vote for him and I wish another Republican were president. At the same time I do not think he is evil or about to turn the USA into the Fourth Reich. I think it's absurd to argue that any moral person would prefer Hillary Clinton as president, or that support of any policy initiative coming out of Trump's administration makes the supporter a collaborator of some kind.

    That aside, I said long ago that if Mueller found no collusion with Russia by Trump or his campaign, that would mean we've lived through the most cynical McCarthy-like effort to remove a duly elected president ever. And that's what it looks like to me now.

    Here's what we've had a steady diet of for the last 2 years. It's ridiculous:


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I will say it again. I detest Donald Trumps's behavior and I opposed him with all I had when he was running for the nomination. I didn't vote for him and I wish another Republican were president. At the same time I do not think he is evil or about to turn the USA into the Fourth Reich. I think it's absurd to argue that any moral person would prefer Hillary Clinton as president, or that support of any policy initiative coming out of Trump's administration makes the supporter a collaborator of some kind.

    That aside, I said long ago that if Mueller found no collusion with Russia by Trump or his campaign, that would mean we've lived through the most cynical McCarthy-like effort to remove a duly elected president ever. And that's what it looks like to me now.

    Here's what we've had a steady diet of for the last 2 years. It's ridiculous:

    For someone who leans far right I totally understand your using the “we wouldn’t be better off with Hillary” argument.

    But for the millions of Americans who don’t almost fall over left or right, the argument isn’t about which one was better. Rather it’s about how far off the rails politics has gone.

    Perhaps that’s the problem. The left and the right see this about their rival, when in actuality the problem isn’t one of them, it’s both of them.

    As for Trump, perhaps he’s not evil in a Hitler way, but he’s a terrible person who doesn’t care about anyone but himself. And that’s a horrible person to have in the most powerful job on our planet.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    For someone who leans far right I totally understand your using the “we wouldn’t be better off with Hillary” argument.

    But for the millions of Americans who don’t almost fall over left or right, the argument isn’t about which one was better. Rather it’s about how far off the rails politics has gone.

    Perhaps that’s the problem. The left and the right see this about their rival, when in actuality the problem isn’t one of them, it’s both of them.

    As for Trump, perhaps he’s not evil in a Hitler way, but he’s a terrible person who doesn’t care about anyone but himself. And that’s a horrible person to have in the most powerful job on our planet.




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    Sadly, it is a race to the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    Sadly, it is a race to the bottom.
    And one of the reasons I was sick about Trump being nominated was that I thought he would do exactly what he's done to the national discourse. He's shameless. But the people who have followed him to the bottom, as you say, are shameless too. I don't expect much introspection out of them either.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    or that support of any policy initiative coming out of Trump's administration makes the supporter a collaborator of some kind.
    It's not "any policy initiative" that makes one complicit. It's supporting dishonestly and cruelty that makes many republicans complicit.

    Anyway, you are right about the ridiculous muller stuff. They put too many eggs in that never-promising basket.

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