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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I thought we wanted to inbound it to Bibbins. They denied, and we went to Barefield instead. I don't think that's anything close to what was drawn up.
    You’re probably right.

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    I guess I’d rather lose to Oregon than lose to USC.


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    Well that sucked. Really felt like we took the exact same approach that Wazzu took last night. I just don't know how you don't attack a little bit more and try to get some good looks for guys like Bibbins. Our guys also did quite a bit of talking to come up so small in the last few minutes. This is something we really, really need to work on moving forward.

    So we're on to the NIT, and while I'm sure that some people won't watch or whatever, I would hope that Larry opens up the rotation again and gets time for guys like Seeley and some of the other young guys on the team.
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    Also, the officiating was brutal down the stretch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I thought we wanted to inbound it to Bibbins. They denied, and we went to Barefield instead. I don't think that's anything close to what was drawn up.
    Watching the last few seconds again it looks like the play might have been to get the ball to Bibbins for a corner three for the win. We were not going to win in OT so I like the call. Justin was wide open. For whatever reason Barefield decided to go for the layup. Not the first bad decision he made last night.

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    Having had some time to sleep on it, that result still sucked. There really was just no reason that we should lose that game, and that's pretty frustrating. I do understand Larry's post-game rant about the officiating and having your best players have to sit with 4 or 5 fouls. And yes, McIntosh put us defensively in a bad spot...he threw his body into our guys and not once did he get called for the offensive foul. So what do you do?

    Also, let's not pretend like Wooten is Mutumbo. Oregon got baskets last night because they were aggressive and attacked. We took the opposite approach and it cost us the game. Even on the possession where Rawson took a deep three, he had with about 13 seconds on the shot clock a good look from the free throw line that he passed up, and the result was the deep three. We can't do that. We gotta take the good looks when we get them.

    Ultimately, Sed should've made the extra pass to Bibbins, but whatever, that shot is no guarantee, but boy it would've been nice to see if he would've put it in.

    My guess is that we're looking at a 3-4 seed in the NIT with one or two possible games at home. I hope we show better than we have the last two years and, as I said last night, I hope the young guys play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I do understand Larry's post-game rant about the officiating and having your best players have to sit with 4 or 5 fouls.
    One of Collette's 5 fouls was a really dumb, really real foul (his 4th - on a rebound). The others were nit-picky or worse. That, more than anything else, is how I'll remember Collette. That's his legacy. I've never seen another player that is such a magnet for questionable, meaningless calls.

    There were long stretches of the game where every contact resulted in a foul call. Then there were stretches of referee sanctioned jungle ball. Back and forth, inconsistent officiating. In other words, a typical college basketball game.

    Our offense was night-and-day different with Collette on the bench last night. For some reason, he was the piece that was making it all work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    One of Collette's 5 fouls was a really dumb, really real foul (his 4th - on a rebound). The others were nit-picky or worse. That, more than anything else, is how I'll remember Collette. That's his legacy. I've never seen another player that is such a magnet for questionable, meaningless calls.
    He may be a magnet for quesitonable calls, but he also commits brain dead fouls. He is our only reliable inside scorer, and you cant overestimate how important that is. But he is the worst rebounding big man I think I have ever seen, and this was the worst rebounding team I think I have ever seen. Has any team ever given up so many offensive rebounds? Maybe it is the zone in part, but Collette has absolutely no instinct for the ball (and cant jump).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    One of Collette's 5 fouls was a really dumb, really real foul (his 4th - on a rebound). The others were nit-picky or worse. That, more than anything else, is how I'll remember Collette. That's his legacy. I've never seen another player that is such a magnet for questionable, meaningless calls.

    There were long stretches of the game where every contact resulted in a foul call. Then there were stretches of referee sanctioned jungle ball. Back and forth, inconsistent officiating. In other words, a typical college basketball game.

    Our offense was night-and-day different with Collette on the bench last night. For some reason, he was the piece that was making it all work.
    I heard a post-game quote from him where he said that he just wasn't going to not play in this game. Sort of a, not gonna be denied...and he played like that and flat out dominated Oregon's bigs (rebounding aside - as concerned rightly points out). I wish that some of our other guys had come into the game with that attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    He may be a magnet for quesitonable calls, but he also commits brain dead fouls.
    Yes he does. And he's a poor rebounder. And he's a good post player. But it's the questionable calls thing that really defines him.

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    Everything that needs to be said has been said. I'll point out one other instance in which we got conservative.

    Deep in the 2nd half -- under 6 minutes -- we've worked the clock down to under 15. Rawson is on the right wing, Barefield in the corner. Under 10, Rawson has an open 3. He passes it to Barefield, who looks to drive and then takes a 3 off the dribble with under 5 on the clock. It misses. I think under 10 seconds, we pass up on good shots in hopes of something better. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But I can't help but think in the first half, Rawson takes the open 3 instead of passing to Sed.

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    Over 12 minutes in the second half and the azholes have 1 foul

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    Can't believe refs called an offensive foul on Ayton because he lowered his shoulder (sarcastic). They didn't call that on Oregon last night.

    Of course, more important, LK's "prevent defense" of running down the shot-clock back-fired once again. Conceptually, I get why he's doing that; however, Utah does not have the athletes/talent to just run down the clock and have someone go get a bucket. We have to have the passing and movements, and all this eat-up the shot-clock. Oh well.

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    PAC-12 hoops in 2017-2018

    Ducks down by 28 to USC. I’m glad it isn’t us.


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    That hurts. I know that play and it is designed to go to the corner guy after the drive. Wide open every time. Smh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Barf.
    We need revenge. I'm fine with it.

    Sure would be awful to lose again, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
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    Another team from the WCC in the postseason? Talk about our poison pill ...

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    It would be nice to finish the season on a high note and make a run in the NIT but I'm not holding my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
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    Could be fun. Any mention of "80K" to a provo fan nowadays elicits the same reaction as a mention of Trump on the politics threads.......they completely lose their minds. Entertaining for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    Could be fun. Any mention of "80K" to a provo fan nowadays elicits the same reaction as a mention of Trump on the politics threads.......they completely lose their minds. Entertaining for sure.
    He rightfully disrespected them. That's Kryptonite to Cougar fans.

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    The milking of the clock makes even less sense today with a shortened shot clock. I’d be interested in the stats but I’d be willing to bet that most Utah plays get a shot off around 10 seconds left on the clock anyway, so we are buying an effective 5 seconds. You could probably do some further math to show how our shooting percentage drops with the rushed shots and poorer shot selection and demonstrate why slowing it down doesn’t make a ton of sense.

    Even without that it just doesn’t seem to work with Kodiak coached teams. We see it more often than not of end of game failures.


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    PAC-12 hoops in 2017-2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    The milking of the clock makes even less sense today with a shortened shot clock. I’d be interested in the stats but I’d be willing to bet that most Utah plays get a shot off around 10 seconds left on the clock anyway, so we are buying an effective 5 seconds. You could probably do some further math to show how our shooting percentage drops with the rushed shots and poorer shot selection and demonstrate why slowing it down doesn’t make a ton of sense.

    Even without that it just doesn’t seem to work with Kodiak coached teams. We see it more often than not of end of game failures.


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    Yes it can be maddening. I’m not sure how often it actually works. Whittingham does do something similar with his “prevent offense,“ but as people have reminded me here repeatedly, that often works. I’m not sure I’ve seen Larry’s abandonment of the attack, when the attack is workong, be effective very often.
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    Utes to host UC Davis in the NIT.

    Washington, Oregon, Stanford (BYU) and USC all with a home game.

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    PAC-12 hoops in 2017-2018

    Get ‘em while they’re hot! Would make for a great gag gift. I may grab one.




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    So the committee was correct regarding PAC 12's basketball "prowess"? As both UCLA and ASU went down, P12 is now officially a 1-team bid conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justaute View Post
    So the committee was correct regarding PAC 12's basketball "prowess"? As both UCLA and ASU went down, P12 is now officially a 1-team bid conference.
    Committee apologists famously say you can't judge the committee based on what teams do in the tournament. I think that's right.

    Can judge them on being slaves to their criteria, though. ASU had no business being there.

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    It is really hard to comprehend how bad the pac 12 turned our to be this year.

    After 1-8 in bowl games and missing the playoff. Yikes all around.
    Last edited by concerned; 03-15-2018 at 09:32 PM.

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    It is really hard to comprehend how bad the pac 12 turned our to be this year.

    After 1-8 in bowl games and missing the playoff. Yikes all around.

    Conference strength is defined and carried by the flagships. Doesn't matter what the other teams are like, as long as Duke and UNC are strong, the ACC will be strong. Big10 football is up when Ohio State and Michigan are up. There have been years when Alabama was the only good team in the SEC, but the conference was still considered to be one of the best. ACC football was a joke until FSU hired Jimbo and returned to glory.

    In the case of the Pac-12, much of the blame lies with the ADs at UCLA and USC. When Ohio State and Alabama hired Meyer and Saban, respectively, USC went through Kiffin, Sark, and now Helton. And UCLA hired Alford. These are top 5 all-time programs, and they have repeatedly settled for less over the past decade. I don't care if Helton gave a good interview and had the players' support, you're USC. You go get a top coach. Kentucky, Kansas, UNC - they don't settle for Steve Alford.

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    Franks declaring for the NBA draft, and Flynn to transfer. Tough week for Wazzu.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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