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    I am very glad I lost the bet.

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    I am very glad I lost the bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thrill View Post
    Pac12 TEAM Road Home
    (14-4) Arizona (6-3) (8-1)
    (12-6) Arizona State (5-4) (7-2)
    (12-6) Washington (4-5) (8-1)
    (11-7) Utah (4-5) (7-2)
    (11-7) USC (3-6) (8-1)
    (10-8) Stanford (3-6) (7-2)
    (10-8) UCLA (2-7) (8-1)
    (10-8) Colorado (2-7) (8-1)
    (8-10) Oregon (3-6) (5-4)
    (5-13) Oregon State (0-9) (5-4)
    (3-15) California (1-8) (2-7)
    (2-16) Washington State (0-9) (2-7)
    So who wins the tiebreaker for 4th in Vegas, assuming Utah gets to this mark by splitting its games with USC?

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    Bracketology has five Pac-12 teams in, although the SoCal schools are relegated to play-in games, and UW is one of the last four with byes.

    Utah in the Next Four out.

    I suspect if Utah gets in, it's at the expense of another Pac-12 team. The good news is we play all three of the aforementioned teams before season's end. In fact, I'll say right now a Utah-UCLA matchup in Vegas is an elimination game for the NCAAs (provided we beat UCLA in SLC). And being among the last four in is a precipitous place to be in. I'll say the league gets four bids.

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    I just don't have the same optimism that the rest of y'all seem to have. We have 4/5 remaining games against teams that are even with us. We need to win 4/5 of those.

    If USC, UCLA, UW, and CU are a coin toss, and WSU is 80%, we have (.5)(.5)(.5)(.5)(.8) = 5% chance of winning out.

    We've been good on the road twice (ASU and Oregon), and we've been awful three times (USC, UCLA, and CU). I'm not sure how UW has been good this season. On paper, they're not much. That's a winnable game in Seattle, but it's also a game we could lose by 20.

    UCLA and USC beat us so badly in SoCal that I have a hard time thinking we will beat them both in SLC. I know the shots seems to fall for us in SLC, but it's hard for me to get over those blowouts. Plus, they both have outside shooting big men, which is tough for us to handle.

    Anyway, the hope is alive! There is a path to the dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Bracketology has five Pac-12 teams in, although the SoCal schools are relegated to play-in games, and UW is one of the last four with byes.

    Utah in the Next Four out.

    I suspect if Utah gets in, it's at the expense of another Pac-12 team. The good news is we play all three of the aforementioned teams before season's end. In fact, I'll say right now a Utah-UCLA matchup in Vegas is an elimination game for the NCAAs (provided we beat UCLA in SLC). And being among the last four in is a precipitous place to be in. I'll say the league gets four bids.
    I watched the CBS projection that took the top 16 teams and Jerry Palm expanded on that. He had ASU in as a 10 seed. I don't think they are on very solid ground though at the moment. Now, a win over Arizona this week probably puts them in, but just looking at their schedule, they still have games they could drop down the stretch here. I don't see them getting to the 12-6 mark as noted above.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    So who wins the tiebreaker for 4th in Vegas, assuming Utah gets to this mark by splitting its games with USC?
    After head to head, I think it goes record vs. the top team(s) in the league until someone gets the advantage, so in the event that we split with USC, and the standings are what they are, I think we'd take the tiebreaker by virtue of the win over ASU.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    If USC, UCLA, UW, and CU are a coin toss, and WSU is 80%, we have (.5)(.5)(.5)(.5)(.8) = 5% chance of winning out.
    ESPN's "matchup predictor" gives us a 48.7% chance in Seattle.

    78.2% @ WSU
    61.3% vs UCLA
    57.2% vs USC
    81.2% vs CU

    So ESPN gives us a 10% chance of winning out. That's not bad!

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    Justin Bibbins is:

    18th in the Pac-12 in ppg
    4th in apg
    6th in FT%
    2nd in 3FG per game
    1st in 3FG%
    3rd in assist to turnover ratio
    10th in mpg

    Which all-conference team does he belong on?

    I think there are 6 locks for 1st team: Ayton, Holiday, Trier, Holder, Travis, and Tinkle.

    After that, you have other guards: Bibbins, Evans, Thompson, Wright. Other bigs: Welsh, Dickerson, Metu, Boatwright.

    That's 8 possibilities for 4 open spots. I think Bibbins is on the cusp.

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    It's just amazing. When they announced that he was joining the team, I really didn't think he'd be able to be effective game in and game out in the Pac-12. Now he's probably my favorite player on this team. So glad that he's having so much success.

    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Justin Bibbins is:

    18th in the Pac-12 in ppg
    4th in apg
    6th in FT%
    2nd in 3FG per game
    1st in 3FG%
    3rd in assist to turnover ratio
    10th in mpg

    Which all-conference team does he belong on?

    I think there are 6 locks for 1st team: Ayton, Holiday, Trier, Holder, Travis, and Tinkle.

    After that, you have other guards: Bibbins, Evans, Thompson, Wright. Other bigs: Welsh, Dickerson, Metu, Boatwright.

    That's 8 possibilities for 4 open spots. I think Bibbins is on the cusp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    It's just amazing. When they announced that he was joining the team, I really didn't think he'd be able to be effective game in and game out in the Pac-12. Now he's probably my favorite player on this team. So glad that he's having so much success.
    and he seems to be getting smaller. Early in the year the TV announcers commented that he was just 5'11", against CAL he was down to 5'8"

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    Now two games of separation between #2 and #9.

    Utah controls its destiny as far as first round bye goes.

    I assume ucla beats us in a tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Now two games of separation between #2 and #9.

    Utah controls its destiny as far as first round bye goes.

    I assume ucla beats us in a tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona.
    The results last night were very good for the Utes, and we are now positioned to make a major move in the league, if we can just keep winning. If the Utes were to sweep UCLA and USC at home next week (assuming beating WSU on Saturday), then at least one of those teams is a lock for 7 loses (b/c they play each other the last game of the year). If we end up in a tie with UCLA, yes, they'd take the tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona. With USC, it is much more cloudy right now their best wins are a sweep over Oregon. Our wins over Washington may trump those in a tiebreaker, but it will all depend on how those teams end up in the standings. They play the last game of the year. Should be an interesting stretch.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    The results last night were very good for the Utes, and we are now positioned to make a major move in the league, if we can just keep winning. If the Utes were to sweep UCLA and USC at home next week (assuming beating WSU on Saturday), then at least one of those teams is a lock for 7 loses (b/c they play each other the last game of the year). If we end up in a tie with UCLA, yes, they'd take the tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona. With USC, it is much more cloudy right now their best wins are a sweep over Oregon. Our wins over Washington may trump those in a tiebreaker, but it will all depend on how those teams end up in the standings. They play the last game of the year. Should be an interesting stretch.

    Big 4 game stretch for us. Here's what's on the line:

    1) The NCAA tournament.
    2) We can play our way to AT LEAST a 3-seed in Vegas. There's no real difference between a 2 and 3 seed - both would open against good teams, and both would avoid Arizona for as long as possible.
    3) 1st team all conference for Justin Bibbins
    4) COY for Coach K. Utes were picked 7th in the preseason poll. UW was picked 10th. ASU was picked 6th. Is any other coach in the running?
    5) Revenge. We lost by a combined 58 points to UCLA, USC, and CU this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Big 4 game stretch for us. Here's what's on the line:

    1) The NCAA tournament.
    2) We can play our way to AT LEAST a 3-seed in Vegas. There's no real difference between a 2 and 3 seed - both would open against good teams, and both would avoid Arizona for as long as possible.
    3) 1st team all conference for Justin Bibbins
    4) COY for Coach K. Utes were picked 7th in the preseason poll. UW was picked 10th. ASU was picked 6th. Is any other coach in the running?
    5) Revenge. We lost by a combined 58 points to UCLA, USC, and CU this season.
    Well, if you are in the east there is a big difference...I think the 3/6 game tips at midnight eastern!

    Agree though, should be a fun stretch...please please please take care of business at WSU.

    I know the tournament committee doesn't really look at last 10 anymore, but if the Utes could somehow go into Vegas having won 7 in a row, that'd be something, certainly not nothing.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I know the tournament committee doesn't really look at last 10 anymore, but if the Utes could somehow go into Vegas having won 7 in a row, that'd be something, certainly not nothing.
    I follow a guy on Twitter, Jerry Palm, who insists that the NCAA basketball selection committee is the only group of humans ever assembled that can operate completely free of any bias. "They don't even know what conference a team belongs to." "The name on the jersey might as well be invisible." That kind of crap. I don't really know why I'm still following this guy.

    Anyway, the committee may not officially look at last 10 anymore, but it's there. They can't unknow what they know.

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    USC's Bennie Boatwright is out for the rest of the season.
    Last edited by DrumNFeather; 02-16-2018 at 02:20 PM.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Road Pac12 TEAM Road Home
    +4 (11-3) Arizona (5-2) (6-1)
    +2 (9-5) USC (3-4) (6-1)
    +1 (9-5) UCLA (2-4) (7-1)
    +2 (8-6) Utah (4-4) (4-2)
    0 (7-6) Stanford (2-4) (5-2)
    +1 (7-6) Washington (3-4) (4-2)
    0 (7-6) Oregon (2-4) (5-2)
    0 (7-7) Arizona State (3-4) (4-3)
    0 (7-7) Colorado (1-6) (6-1)
    -2 (5-8) Oregon State (0-6) (5-2)
    -4 (2-11) California (1-6) (1-5)
    -4 (2-11) Washington State (0-7) (2-4)

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    So ucla and usc are 10-5 and they play mtn schools and @usc. We end up second if we win out and one of them gets swept in the mountains but wins the game at usc.

    If we end up tied with ucla they win the tiebreaker via there win at az. If we end up tied with USC because of our wash sweep or stanford win we probably win that tiebreaker (assuming we beat them on Saturday)

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    Road Pac12 TEAM Road Home
    +4 (11-3) Arizona (5-2) (6-1)
    +2 (10-5) USC (3-4) (7-1)
    +1 (10-5) UCLA (2-4) (8-1)
    +3 (9-6) Utah (5-4) (4-2)
    +1 (8-6) Washington (3-4) (5-2)
    +1 (8-6) Stanford (3-4) (5-2)
    0 (7-7) Arizona State (3-4) (4-3)
    0 (7-7) Oregon (2-5) (5-2)
    0 (7-8) Colorado (1-7) (6-1)
    -2 (5-9) Oregon State (0-7) (5-2)
    -5 (2-12) California (1-6) (1-6)
    -5 (2-12) Washington State (0-7) (2-5)

    Assuming Stanford beats California today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thrill View Post
    Road Pac12 TEAM Road Home
    +4 (11-3) Arizona (5-2) (6-1)
    +2 (10-5) USC (3-4) (7-1)
    +1 (10-5) UCLA (2-4) (8-1)
    +3 (9-6) Utah (5-4) (4-2)
    +1 (8-6) Washington (3-4) (5-2)
    +1 (8-6) Stanford (3-4) (5-2)
    0 (7-7) Arizona State (3-4) (4-3)
    0 (7-7) Oregon (2-5) (5-2)
    0 (7-8) Colorado (1-7) (6-1)
    -2 (5-9) Oregon State (0-7) (5-2)
    -5 (2-12) California (1-6) (1-6)
    -5 (2-12) Washington State (0-7) (2-5)

    Assuming Stanford beats California today.
    Our second favorite team this week is Colorado. All the other games this week might as well be played on Mars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Our second favorite team this week is Colorado. All the other games this week might as well be played on Mars.
    To bad Usc plays Cu on Wednesday. Trojans get an extra day off. But at least we get to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Our second favorite team this week is Colorado. All the other games this week might as well be played on Mars.
    I suppose the only caveat to this is that if we take care of business, we will be interested in seeing who falls into the 7/6 spot. My sense is that even though we hold a victory over them, we'd probably want to avoid Oregon in a potential 7/2 or 6/3 tilt, and possibly ASU as well. Stanford/Washington is a big game for both squads, but particularly for the Cardinal as they are likely to finish the season 0-2 after their trip to the Arizona schools.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I suppose the only caveat to this is that if we take care of business, we will be interested in seeing who falls into the 7/6 spot. My sense is that even though we hold a victory over them, we'd probably want to avoid Oregon in a potential 7/2 or 6/3 tilt, and possibly ASU as well. Stanford/Washington is a big game for both squads, but particularly for the Cardinal as they are likely to finish the season 0-2 after their trip to the Arizona schools.
    Agreed. Even though UCLA, USC, Utah, CU, Oregon, ASU, UW, and Stanford are even in the standings, they are not even in how much they scare me!

    Oregon in particular is playing better than they were when we were in Eugene.

    This all illustrates how long our odds still are. Not only do we have to win out, we need to win one in Vegas too. All against teams more or less even with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Agreed. Even though UCLA, USC, Utah, CU, Oregon, ASU, UW, and Stanford are even in the standings, they are not even in how much they scare me!

    Oregon in particular is playing better than they were when we were in Eugene.

    This all illustrates how long our odds still are. Not only do we have to win out, we need to win one in Vegas too. All against teams more or less even with us.
    It's going to be an exciting fight to the finish here. So many of the teams bunched up in the middle play each other in the final 3 or 4 games of the season. Hey, even Cal and Wazzu square off to determine the #12 and #11 seeds, respectively.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    One month ago, who'd a-thunk we'd have an exciting end to the regular season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    One month ago, who'd a-thunk we'd have an exciting end to the regular season?
    I'm really happy about this because I am a big believer in chemistry and having good character kids on your team. While talent is more important than anything, these other items are often overlooked. These appear to be a good group of kids who have gotten better. They are easy to cheer for.

    it would be awesome if they took second place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    One month ago, who'd a-thunk we'd have an exciting end to the regular season?
    I did
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    I did
    I meant, apart from the geniuses on the board, who foresaw this?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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