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  1. #61
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    Those Arizona chants are loud.

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    The azholes are the worst

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  2. #62
    So with the usc wins and assuming big favorites, asu wins in berkley and utah a 10.5 point favorite wins tomorrow. The standings at the ~midpoint would be
    Az 6-1
    Usc 6-2
    Stan 5-2
    Ucla 4-4
    Wash 4-4
    Utah 4-4 or 3-5 (vs wazzu)
    Colorado 4-4
    Oregon st 3-4
    Oregon 3-4
    Asu 3-4
    Cal 1-6
    Wazzu 1-6 or 2-5 (vs Utah)

    Second half of season thoughts:
    Stan loses 6 of their last 9.

    If Utah wins in Tempe they can get 4th seed

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  3. #63
    Road warriors of the Pac12

    Road Pac12 TEAM Road Home
    +3 (6-1) Arizona (3-1) (3-0)
    +2 (6-2) USC (3-1) (3-1)
    0 (5-2) Stanford (2-0) (3-2)
    +2 (4-3) Washington (3-2) (1-1)
    0 (4-4) Utah (2-2) (2-2)
    0 (4-4) UCLA (1-3) (3-1)
    0 (4-4) Colorado (1-3) (3-1)
    +1 (3-4) Arizona State (2-3) (1-1)
    -1 (3-4) Oregon (1-2) (2-2)
    -2 (3-4) Oregon State (0-2) (3-2)
    -3 (1-6) California (1-2) (0-4)
    -2 (1-6) Washington State (0-4) (1-2)
    * +1 for road win
    * -1 for home loss

  4. #64
    So, the conference may not be good, but at least it's interesting.

    We have UW, Utah, UCLA, CU, ASU, Oregon, and OSU all in the 3-4, 4-3, 4-4 camp. That's gotta get resolved somehow. We have Stanford at 5-2 with the best wins outside of Zona, but they've only played two on the road. We have USC in 2nd place, but they haven't exactly convinced anyone.

    All we really know is that Arizona is on top, and Cal/WSU are not good. Pretty interesting situation this far into the season.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    So, the conference may not be good, but at least it's interesting.

    We have UW, Utah, UCLA, CU, ASU, Oregon, and OSU all in the 3-4, 4-3, 4-4 camp. That's gotta get resolved somehow. We have Stanford at 5-2 with the best wins outside of Zona, but they've only played two on the road. We have USC in 2nd place, but they haven't exactly convinced anyone.

    All we really know is that Arizona is on top, and Cal/WSU are not good. Pretty interesting situation this far into the season.
    We seem to have a similar problem in football. Because there is not one dominant team, and seemingly some balance, the conference gets the not good label. Not sure that's what it is, but you're right, we'll see some separation over the second half of the conference season. I tend to think that Stanford comes back to earth a little, and ASU will probably end up in the top four, but Stanford seems like a team built to make a run in the conference tourney.

    Games this week:

    Utah/Colorado @ Arizona/ASU
    Cal/Stanford @ USC/UCLA
    Wazzu @ Washington
    OSU @ Oregon
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

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  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    So, the conference may not be good, but at least it's interesting. We have UW, Utah, UCLA, CU, ASU, Oregon, and OSU all in the 3-4, 4-3, 4-4 camp. That's gotta get resolved somehow. We have Stanford at 5-2 with the best wins outside of Zona, but they've only played two on the road. We have USC in 2nd place, but they haven't exactly convinced anyone. All we really know is that Arizona is on top, and Cal/WSU are not good. Pretty interesting situation this far into the season.
    Stanford has only played 2 conf road games (the Washingtons). They also hit a 3/4 of court shot to beat USC. They are a prime candidate to lose 6 of their last 9.@Socal this week - oregons @ home @ mountain schools @ Cal Wash @ home @arizona schools
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  7. #67
    Updated standings:

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    ASU alone in 10th. Ouch. They once seemed like a tournament lock, but they might play themselves out.

    Some games tomorrow between teams separated by 1 game or fewer in the standings: Oregon/OSU. Stanford/UCLA. CU/ASU.

  8. #68
    Utes have a real shot to make a big time move in the second half off the conference schedule. After this week, they've got 5 of their last 7 at home and their lone road swing is the Washington schools.

    Conversely, both USC and UCLA have tough road trips in the second half of the season (Arizona schools and Mountain schools). Likewise, Stanford has a 5-4 road/home split after this week having to go to the Arizona schools and the mountain schools as well.

    The Oregon schools have a 4-4 home/road split down the stretch, but host the Arizona schools.

    ASU will have 5 of 7 at home after this week and will also look to make a big push. Should be interesting.

    If the Utes could somehow manage to get a win in Boulder this week, things could get real interesting.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Utes have a real shot to make a big time move in the second half off the conference schedule. After this week, they've got 5 of their last 7 at home and their lone road swing is the Washington schools.

    Conversely, both USC and UCLA have tough road trips in the second half of the season (Arizona schools and Mountain schools). Likewise, Stanford has a 5-4 road/home split after this week having to go to the Arizona schools and the mountain schools as well.

    The Oregon schools have a 4-4 home/road split down the stretch, but host the Arizona schools.

    ASU will have 5 of 7 at home after this week and will also look to make a big push. Should be interesting.

    If the Utes could somehow manage to get a win in Boulder this week, things could get real interesting.
    Utes need to:

    * Split with Colorado
    * Win 3 of 4 at home against Stanford/Cal/USC/UCLA
    * Split Washington/Wazzu

    I have a good feeling that we can split (if not sweep) the Washington roadie, which is good because I don't have a good feeling about the USC/UCLA home stand. Any home losses need to be made up for on the road. I admit I don't know squat about Stanford or Cal. Glad we have them at home. We have owned Stanford here. Cal has always been a tough matchup because of size and similarities, but I don't know how things have changed since Monty left.

    If we can go 5-3 in the last 8, that should push us close to being in the top 1/3 of the league. It probably means we end up in the 4/5 game, but as long as it isn't against Colorado or Oregon, I like our chances to getting to the second round of the tournament. If we do that, I think we give ourselves a chance of squeaking into the NCAA.

  10. #70
    Pac-12 considering a 20 game conference schedule. Yes, please.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/...ch-more-sense/

    Just make it 22 and a true round robin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Pac-12 considering a 20 game conference schedule. Yes, please.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/...ch-more-sense/

    Just make it 22 and a true round robin.
    the two extra conference games would be played in the middle of December

    buh bye LHM Beehive Round Robin Bruhaha or whatever that thing was called!

  12. #72
    They should let the travel partners play a home and home in the same weekend. Thursday @ Coloradao, Sunday @ Utah. Badabing badaboom, free up another weekend.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    They should let the travel partners play a home and home in the same weekend. Thursday @ Coloradao, Sunday @ Utah. Badabing badaboom, free up another weekend.
    This is how the women's side has done it every year outside of the first year of Pac-12 play. Makes a ton of sense to me.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    This is how the women's side has done it every year outside of the first year of Pac-12 play. Makes a ton of sense to me.
    DNF for Pac 12 Commish!

    Ok fine...DNF for Pac 12 Scheduling Czar!
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  15. #75
    Road TEAM Road Home
    +4 Arizona (4-1) (5-0)
    +2 USC (3-1) (5-1)
    +2 Washington (3-2) (3-1)
    0 Stanford (2-2) (4-2)
    0 UCLA (1-3) (5-1)
    0 Oregon (2-2) (3-2)
    +1 Utah (3-3) (2-2)
    0 Arizona State (2-4) (2-2)
    0 Colorado (1-5) (3-1)
    -2 Oregon State (0-4) (3-2)
    -3 Washington State (0-5) (1-3)
    -4 California (1-4) (0-5)

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by The Thrill View Post
    Road TEAM Road Home
    +4 Arizona (4-1) (5-0)
    +2 USC (3-1) (5-1)
    +2 Washington (3-2) (3-1)
    0 Stanford (2-2) (4-2)
    0 UCLA (1-3) (5-1)
    0 Oregon (2-2) (3-2)
    +1 Utah (3-3) (2-2)
    0 Arizona State (2-4) (2-2)
    0 Colorado (1-5) (3-1)
    -2 Oregon State (0-4) (3-2)
    -3 Washington State (0-5) (1-3)
    -4 California (1-4) (0-5)
    The three seed in Vegas is up for grabs, and there are 5-6 teams in the running. That's what's at stake for Utah tonight.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    The three seed in Vegas is up for grabs, and there are 5-6 teams in the running. That's what's at stake for Utah tonight.
    Yep. Would be really nice to get into the group of 6 win teams at this point.

    ASU's path to the dance is getting harder and harder.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Yep. Would be really nice to get into the group of 6 win teams at this point.

    ASU's path to the dance is getting harder and harder.
    That 3 seed is a real prize because all of the teams involved (except ASU) need to win the tournament in Vegas in order to dance in March. The 2/3 seeds have the best chance at not having to play Arizona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    That 3 seed is a real prize because all of the teams involved (except ASU) need to win the tournament in Vegas in order to dance in March. The 2/3 seeds have the best chance at not having to play Arizona.
    still too early to predict that, I think UW and Utah and a couple of others can still play their way in without winning the tournament

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    still too early to predict that, I think UW and Utah and a couple of others can still play their way in without winning the tournament
    You are probably right. Bracketology has UW in the "first four out" and Utah and UCLA in the "next four out".

    Two possible paths:

    1) Win 6 or 7 of 8 remaining regular season games (where 6 of those 8 games are against teams basically even with us in the conference standings), and win a couple games in Vegas.

    2) Win three in a row in Vegas.

    I think winning in Vegas is our more likely path, though either path has pretty low odds.

  21. #81
    I think we can safely say that zona is going win the league and wazzu, cal and osu are going to be 10-12
    At the end of the weekend usc is 8-3 stan & ucla 7-4 wash 7-4, oregon 5-5 Colo utah and asu 5-6

    Oregon plays wash schools twice, at socal home vs ariz schools. I bet they 4-4 so 9-9 for year

    Stanford is @ mtn schools, at cal, wash at home at zonas I think they 4-3 and get 11-7

    Ucla is @ arizs home vs ore @ mtn @ usc i think they go 3-4 so 10-8

    Wash is @ Oregon's mtn @ home @ no cal oregons at home 4-4 to be 11-7

    Since we are 5-6 here's my prediction depending on wins
    7-0 3rd place
    6-1 4th place (assuming loss isn't to Stanford)
    5-2 Maybe 5th
    4-3 6 or 7th

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    Last edited by Mormon Red Death; 02-04-2018 at 04:56 AM.
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  22. #82
    UW. Wow. Last second shot blocked, rebound, new last second shot goes in for the win.

    Funny to think of Romar on the Zona bench thinking about how much better UW's new coach is.

  23. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    UW. Wow. Last second shot blocked, rebound, new last second shot goes in for the win.

    Funny to think of Romar on the Zona bench thinking about how much better UW's new coach is.
    Nice win for our resume!

    This upcoming week will be interesting. 4 of the top 5 teams in the league are on the road, and the next four that are lurking are all at home.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  24. #84
    Road Pac12 TEAM Road Home
    +3 (9-3) Arizona (4-2) (5-1)
    +2 (8-4) USC (3-3) (5-1)
    +1 (8-4) UCLA (2-3) (6-1)
    +2 (7-4) Washington (3-3) (4-1)
    0 (7-5) Stanford (2-3) (5-2)
    0 (6-5) Oregon (2-3) (4-2)
    +1 (6-6) Utah (3-4) (3-2)
    +1 (6-6) Arizona State (3-4) (3-2)
    0 (6-6) Colorado (1-5) (5-1)
    -2 (4-7) Oregon State (0-5) (4-2)
    -4 (2-10) California (1-5) (1-5)
    -4 (1-10) Washington State (0-6) (1-4)

  25. #85
    Do we finally have separation between a tier 1 (Zona, UCLA, USC, UW) and tier 2 (Stanford, Oregon, Utah, ASU, CU)?

    At least two more losses this week to teams either ahead of us or tied with us.

  26. #86
    Stanford vs Colorado is a huge game
    Stanford wins they're in 2nd, they lose they drop to 8th.

    If Colorado wins and all other home teams (all favorites) win:

    Pac12 TEAM
    (10-3) Arizona
    (8-5) USC
    (8-5) UCLA
    (7-5) Washington
    (7-5) Oregon
    (7-6) Utah
    (7-6) Arizona State
    (7-6) Stanford
    (7-6) Colorado
    (5-7) Oregon State
    (2-11) California
    (1-11) Washington State

    If Stanford wins and all other home teams (all favorites) win
    Pac12 TEAM
    (10-3) Arizona
    (8-5) Stanford
    (8-5) USC
    (8-5) UCLA
    (7-5) Washington
    (7-5) Oregon
    (7-6) Utah
    (7-6) Arizona State
    (6-7) Colorado
    (5-7) Oregon State
    (2-11) California
    (1-11) Washington State

  27. #87
    You know what is interesting. If we win our last 5 we end up in 2nd place. We play pretty much everyone in front of us and are 1 game back. The others Oregon and Stanford that are above us have tough roads.

    Oregon is at the socal schools. Zona schools at home then at wash.

    Stanford still has Colorado, cal, wash at home then at zona schools

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  28. #88
    After choking on two FTs at the end of regulation, Thompson once again hits a game winning three. Beavers beat Huskies in 2OT.

    UW on two-game losing streak. They will be very motivated in Seattle this week. Tough timing for us.

  29. #89
    There are 8 teams within a game of each other.

    Someone out of USC, UCLA, Utah, Oregon, Stanford, CU, ASU, and UW will finish 2nd, and someone will finish 9th. One bad call, one poor decision, one turnover, one lucky banked in three pointer could win or cost your team a number of seeds in the tournament.

  30. #90

    Here's how I see the rest of the season going.

    Pac12 TEAM Road Home
    (14-4) Arizona (6-3) (8-1)
    (12-6) Arizona State (5-4) (7-2)
    (12-6) Washington (4-5) (8-1)
    (11-7) Utah (4-5) (7-2)
    (11-7) USC (3-6) (8-1)
    (10-8) Stanford (3-6) (7-2)
    (10-8) UCLA (2-7) (8-1)
    (10-8) Colorado (2-7) (8-1)
    (8-10) Oregon (3-6) (5-4)
    (5-13) Oregon State (0-9) (5-4)
    (3-15) California (1-8) (2-7)
    (2-16) Washington State (0-9) (2-7)

    THIS WEEK
    Arizona State 86 Arizona 81
    Washington 78 Utah 72
    USC 83 Oregon 75
    Colorado 75 Washington State 72
    UCLA 84 Oregon State 73
    Washington 78 Colorado 70
    Utah 77 Washington State 71
    UCLA 85 Oregon 77
    USC 83 Oregon State 71
    Stanford 74 California 70
    NEXT WEEK
    Colorado 77 USC 75
    Arizona 81 Oregon State 75
    Stanford 76 Washington 74
    Utah 80 UCLA 77
    California 74 Washington State 69
    Arizona State 83 Oregon 81
    Utah 78 USC 75
    Washington 76 California 69
    Stanford 81 Washington State 68
    Arizona State 82 Oregon State 77
    Arizona 81 Oregon 79
    Colorado 78 UCLA 77
    FINAL WEEK
    Arizona State 87 California 68
    Oregon 78 Washington State 75
    Arizona 84 Stanford 73
    Washington 81 Oregon State 69
    Arizona State 85 Stanford 74
    Arizona 85 California 66
    Washington 81 Oregon 73
    Washington State 74 Oregon State 74
    Utah 77 Colorado 70
    USC 83 UCLA 78
    Last edited by The Thrill; 02-11-2018 at 09:09 PM.

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