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  1. #271
    The best thing larry Scott has done

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    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

  2. #272
    We don't really have an offseason thread for the league, but I saw on Twitter that Reid Travis, if he returns to school, might opt to be a grad transfer and could head to Duke or Kentucky, which would be an interesting move, and a big blow for Hess.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  3. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    We don't really have an offseason thread for the league, but I saw on Twitter that Reid Travis, if he returns to school, might opt to be a grad transfer and could head to Duke or Kentucky, which would be an interesting move, and a big blow for Hess.
    That dude still has eligibility left? Good grief.

  4. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    We don't really have an offseason thread for the league, but I saw on Twitter that Reid Travis, if he returns to school, might opt to be a grad transfer and could head to Duke or Kentucky, which would be an interesting move, and a big blow for Hess.
    More talk about Travis transferring. Twitter seems to think he's headed to Kentucky. I don't know if this is good or bad news. I do like Stanford to be bad, but the Pac-12 needs some strength.

  5. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    More talk about Travis transferring. Twitter seems to think he's headed to Kentucky. I don't know if this is good or bad news. I do like Stanford to be bad, but the Pac-12 needs some strength.
    Yeah. Kentucky seems like an odd move for his style...I'd think a team like UVA would be more suited to his skill set, but maybe he just wants another crack at the Utes. Anything is possible.

    In other news, Noah Dickerson is returning to Washington.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  6. #276
    How about some Ute news. Both Gach is going to commit any day now. 4* top 150 6’7” PG with tons of raw athleticism. Exactly the kind of guy we need to complete this roster. He’s definitely getting a little more love from TTU right now though.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TutBoth?r...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

  7. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by jrj84105 View Post
    How about some Ute news. Both Gach is going to commit any day now. 4* top 150 6’7” PG with tons of raw athleticism. Exactly the kind of guy we need to complete this roster. He’s definitely getting a little more love from TTU right now though.
    I'd love another forward on this team. Fingers crossed.

  8. #278
    Point guard. 6’7”.

  9. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by jrj84105 View Post
    Point guard. 6’7”.
    Oh, I missed that. I would love a PG too. A little less than a PF, but, hey.

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  11. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by jrj84105 View Post
    We need a PG more than anything IMO.
    That really depends on things we don't know yet. If Battin is good to go as a freshman, you are right. If he's hopeless, we need a PF. Ditto with the various PG candidates.

  12. #282
    I think Battin is totally ready. He’s a high floor low ceiling guy I think who comes in as a smart player with a pretty developed skill set. I expect more out of him early than the other freshmen.

    Larry’s teams have lived and died with point guard play.

  13. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by jrj84105 View Post
    I think Battin is totally ready.
    If that's true, then I agree with you about PG. It just looks like all our eggs are in one basket at forward.

  14. #284
    So does Both eat up two scholarships? 😬


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  15. #285
    Fwiw, Steve Bartle from utezone placed a crystal ball prediction of BG to Utah today. So far its the only pick.

  16. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    If that's true, then I agree with you about PG. It just looks like all our eggs are in one basket at forward.
    I think we’ll go smaller with Donnie Tillman at the 4 pretty often. We also landed Timmy Allen and Lahat Thiune at the forward spot in this class. Timmy should be an immediate contributor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrj84105 View Post
    We need a PG more than anything IMO.

    Friday it is.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TutBoth/s...89644517543937
    Watched several minutes of Gach's team against Findlay Prep, as well as a highlight reel (of the team, not just Gach). My observations:

    I'm highly suspect of his future as a PG, seeing he doesn't even play PG on his own team. Listed as a small forward. Maybe he's done stuff outside of his team where he has shown some ability as a PG, but the starting PG on Gach's team was more than adequate, but far from spectacular.

    I doubt he's 6-7. 6-7 kids tower over most of their HS competition, and this kid does not. I have questions about his athleticism. Doesn't have a quick enough of an elevator to be effective inside and doesn't explode in the open floor or in space. Didn't even jump center against Findlay. Was stationed back toward his basket on FTs instead of lining up for rebounds (or to pass the ball inbounds or receive it after a make). Is that really what you do with a PG? Maybe his coach is an idiot, maybe his team is loaded -- I'll walk back that statement if true -- but this guy is a perimeter player. He's not going to be a threat to take minutes from any legitimate frontcourt player.

    He is a good shooter (the clear and obvious strength of his game), but can he elevate to get his shot off and become a jump shooter instead of a set shooter? If he can do that, he could be a real benefit (who isn't that can shoot the 3?), but the competition will force him to become more of a jump shooter.

    Gach's future is as a 2 with Utah. Maybe he could develop skills to be a point. But I didn't see anything in the video I saw to indicate that PG is his natural position.

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    One more thing about the clips that struck me as odd -- the dunk of his in the team highlight video I saw, his team was a little too exuberant over the play. Like it was a rare occurrence. Now maybe it was a big play in a tight game, I don't know. It wasn't a spectacular dunk by any stretch, just a breakaway basic one-handed jam with no one at the rim. But 4-star kids who are 6-7 should be dunking pretty frequently at the HS level. It shouldn't be a HUGE deal when they do. But the reaction was more of awe than ho-hum. All the more reason for me to have a bit of a jaundiced eye when I see what's listed out there about him.

  19. #289
    I have the same thoughts re: his ability to play PG. I think that's more of a recruiting pitch than anything else. IMO Gach is a versatile, long wing who will be able to play 1-3 (mainly 2-3). Agree that shooting is his strong suite, but I think he has a wide array of talents (vision, defense, etc).

    There's not a ton of valuable film on the kid, so I watch those with a grain of salt. But a D1 assistant coach in the state (not at the U) who's watched him play told me months ago that this kid is really, really good.

    I'm not getting my hopes up, but he would be a great cherry on top of an already stacked class.

  20. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Watched several minutes of Gach's team against Findlay Prep, as well as a highlight reel (of the team, not just Gach). My observations:

    I'm highly suspect of his future as a PG, seeing he doesn't even play PG on his own team. Listed as a small forward. Maybe he's done stuff outside of his team where he has shown some ability as a PG, but the starting PG on Gach's team was more than adequate, but far from spectacular.

    I doubt he's 6-7. 6-7 kids tower over most of their HS competition, and this kid does not. I have questions about his athleticism. Doesn't have a quick enough of an elevator to be effective inside and doesn't explode in the open floor or in space. Didn't even jump center against Findlay. Was stationed back toward his basket on FTs instead of lining up for rebounds (or to pass the ball inbounds or receive it after a make). Is that really what you do with a PG? Maybe his coach is an idiot, maybe his team is loaded -- I'll walk back that statement if true -- but this guy is a perimeter player. He's not going to be a threat to take minutes from any legitimate frontcourt player.

    He is a good shooter (the clear and obvious strength of his game), but can he elevate to get his shot off and become a jump shooter instead of a set shooter? If he can do that, he could be a real benefit (who isn't that can shoot the 3?), but the competition will force him to become more of a jump shooter.

    Gach's future is as a 2 with Utah. Maybe he could develop skills to be a point. But I didn't see anything in the video I saw to indicate that PG is his natural position.
    Thanks. If you actually got to see him live, then you know more than anyone else cause his film is
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrj84105 View Post
    Thanks. If you actually got to see him live, then you know more than anyone else cause his film is
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    My apologies. The stuff I saw against Findlay Prep was off tape. Uninterrupted 6 minutes or so of game action. Didn't mean to imply that I've seen him live.

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  23. #293
    It is still sobering that with our best recruiting class in years, we are probably only 7th or so in the Pac 12.

    Pac-12 in updated (6/1) @247Sports 2018 basketball team recruiting rankings

    4) Oregon

    6) UCLA

    10) ASU

    18) USC

    21) Arizona

    28) Stanford

    34) Utah

    35) Washington

    40) Cal

    82) OSU

    84) Colorado

    143) WSU

    #Utah moves from 46 to 34 with 4-star.

  24. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    It is still sobering that with our best recruiting class in years, we are probably only 7th or so in the Pac 12.

    Pac-12 in updated (6/1) @247Sports 2018 basketball team recruiting rankings

    I've read stats on the correlation of recruiting rankings to team success for football but not for basketball. I imagine there is a wider variance in basketball where there are fewer recruits and where one player can make such a big difference.

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    Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong service, but I don't think that ranking includes Charles Jones (because he's a JC). It definitely doesn't include Hendrix. In any case, Utah has always outperformed it's recruiting rankings and projections since joining the PAC 12. I will take this group playing under Larry in the top 4 (if not next year then definitely over the next four years).

    I think the above was a jumbled way of saying that I believe that Utah has one of the best coaches in the conference and appears to be closing the talent gap with the top programs, which bodes well for the future.

  26. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I've read stats on the correlation of recruiting rankings to team success for football but not for basketball. I imagine there is a wider variance in basketball where there are fewer recruits and where one player can make such a big difference.

    And several schools got several top 50 recruits who may be the type who make a big difference.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/...-for-recovery/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I've read stats on the correlation of recruiting rankings to team success for football but not for basketball. I imagine there is a wider variance in basketball where there are fewer recruits and where one player can make such a big difference.
    The other issue with basketball rankings is the prevelance of guys only being at a school for a year. Those are the guys who drive the rankings, but they will have a less significant impact. In football the elite guys have to be there for at least 3 years.

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