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    Getting Our Mojo Back - Utah hosts Washington/Wazzu

    Whatever buzz was created by the Oregon road sweep has evaporated after losing the last four, despite not being favored in any of those games. Last week we allowed both UCLA and USC to get off to hot starts and neither team looked back.

    Against Oregon and Oregon St., the Utes allowed 66 points to each team. Over the last four games, the Utes have allowed an average of 85 points per game...and Larry has said we've lost a lot of our Mojo. Couple this with what Colorado has done and the buzzards are starting to circle around the program just a little bit...particularly on the Twitter.

    Washington comes in having won two road games this year in league play, but most recently lost at home to Stanford...so who knows what to expect from the.

    Wazzu picked up its first league win on Saturday against Cal, but I would still hope that they would be a fairly easy out. With this Ute team, who knows.

    Larry seemed to open up the rotation over the weekend, probably partially due to the games being blowouts, but I liked what I saw from Chris Seeley, and I'm encouraged that some of the young guys are getting playing time. It will be interesting to see if that carries into this week.

    With three straight road games coming up after this weekend, it is imperative that the Utes get themselves to 4-4 so that they are at least treading water heading into the Arizona & Colorado roadies.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    UW has wins against Kansas and UCLA. I assume they are favored @ Utah?

    The Huskies have a 9-man rotation. None of their starting guards are shooting well from outside - their best deep threats are coming off the bench.

    Dickerson gets 15/8 while shooting nearly 60%. I guess it's Rawson's job to keep him in check?

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    Larry sounded pretty frustrated today in his presser. I don't think he's frustrated at the level he was last year, seems like he, like many of us, is frustrated with how soft some of these guys are, and the fact that they are missing open shots.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Wilner's lastest Pac-12 power rankings have us in 9th. Dangerously close to 10th.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/...-when-it-isnt/

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    Utah by 7

    per Vegas--really.??

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    I had us 2-4 going into this weekend although I thought the path would be a little different than it was. This is the break weekend for us. Lose both or split and this season is officially over. Win both and we are still capable of a .500 PAC 12 season. This year is a lot like football except many people had unrealistic expectations for football. Turnover years with eyes firmly focused on the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I had us 2-4 going into this weekend although I thought the path would be a little different than it was. This is the break weekend for us. Lose both or split and this season is officially over. Win both and we are still capable of a .500 PAC 12 season. This year is a lot like football except many people had unrealistic expectations for football. Turnover years with eyes firmly focused on the future.

    IMHO, the season is over regardless of the results this weekend.

    Interestingly, I (among many) am hyped on next year's recruiting class, with two recruits nominated to be McDonald's AA's. I was disappointed the other day to see our class is ranked only 8th in the Pac 12, and 35th nationally. Reality check, i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I had us 2-4 going into this weekend although I thought the path would be a little different than it was. This is the break weekend for us. Lose both or split and this season is officially over. Win both and we are still capable of a .500 PAC 12 season. This year is a lot like football except many people had unrealistic expectations for football. Turnover years with eyes firmly focused on the future.
    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    IMHO, the season is over regardless of the results this weekend.

    Interestingly, I (among many) am hyped on next year's recruiting class, with two recruits nominated to be McDonald's AA's. I was disappointed the other day to see our class is ranked only 8th in the Pac 12, and 35th nationally. Reality check, i guess.
    How much do you think the disappointment fans are feeling about this team is viewed through the lens of how Colorado has performed in its 6 league games verses how we've performed in our 6 league games? To me, it seems like that has heavily influenced a lot of the thinking, but I'd be curious to see what you think about that?
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    IMHO, the season is over regardless of the results this weekend.

    Interestingly, I (among many) am hyped on next year's recruiting class, with two recruits nominated to be McDonald's AA's. I was disappointed the other day to see our class is ranked only 8th in the Pac 12, and 35th nationally. Reality check, i guess.
    You do have to remember two of our recruits aren’t counted in that ranking. Doutrive and Charles Jones Jr


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    How much do you think the disappointment fans are feeling about this team is viewed through the lens of how Colorado has performed in its 6 league games verses how we've performed in our 6 league games?
    I don't think it matters much to me. We've always suspected that this team would not be very good. It was never good on paper. Nothing in OOC games made us think otherwise. The road trip to Oregon gave us a week of dreaming big, but we are back down to earth.

    I'm still hoping for a middle of the pack finish. I'll watch all the games regardless, but will be a lot more fun if we are competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    You do have to remember two of our recruits aren’t counted in that ranking. Doutrive and Charles Jones Jr


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    This! With Doutrive having the advantage of being able to learn the system on both sides of the ball for a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    You do have to remember two of our recruits aren’t counted in that ranking. Doutrive and Charles Jones Jr


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    If you think you are going to make me feel better, you are sadly mistaken.

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    Playing pretty well so far. I love seeing Seeley and Tillman out there.

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    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Nothing from Bealer, nothing from Barefield.

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    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Bibbins on the other hand has been fantastic.

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    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Free throws have been a challenge tonight.

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    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Tillman with some clutch offensive boards allowed the Utes to take a minute off the clock, and then he hit two free throws.

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    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Despite trying to give it away, the Utes get the win. I'll just high five myself here, guys.

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    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Some credit to Larry K & his staff. They had a plan to attack the zone & followed it, even when Rawson went out early with fouls.
    Washington beats USC because of coaching or lack there off by Enfield, whereas Utes listen. & play together.
    4-4 would be nice after Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Standing ute View Post
    Some credit to Larry K & his staff. They had a plan to attack the zone & followed it, even when Rawson went out early with fouls.
    Washington beats USC because of coaching or lack there off by Enfield, whereas Utes listen. & play together.
    4-4 would be nice after Sunday.


    I like this team. I like Bibbins. We don't have a go to scorer and our bench is thin. I think PVD is playing better. I think Seeley has a lot of potential. Tillman is way good for a Frosh (but a bit on the small side). If Barefield could get some consistency he is all-league. And Johnson is getting better. I think we may surprise some people by the end of the year

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    So here is a tidbit I heard last night at the game: when CH got dinged $10K for yelling at the head of officials, it wasn't because of the foul calls during the game. Hill was furious that the refs let Hurley get away with murder on the sideline all game long. It is widely agreed upon that Hurley is the biggest jerk and least liked among all the Pac 12 coaches, an asshole on the sidelines, and the refs don't do anything to reign him in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    So here is a tidbit I heard last night at the game: when CH got dinged $10K for yelling at the head of officials, it wasn't because of the foul calls during the game. Hill was furious that the refs let Hurley get away with murder on the sideline all game long. It is widely agreed upon that Hurley is the biggest jerk and least liked among all the Pac 12 coaches, an asshole on the sidelines, and the refs don't do anything to reign him in.
    that's interesting, Hurley got fined after the Colorado game. I guess he thought he had some additional leeway after paying that.

    Last nights win was a relief, but other Utah teams would have buried a team like that. Sadly, I'm still convinced this team is just not very good
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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    So here is a tidbit I heard last night at the game: when CH got dinged $10K for yelling at the head of officials, it wasn't because of the foul calls during the game. Hill was furious that the refs let Hurley get away with murder on the sideline all game long. It is widely agreed upon that Hurley is the biggest jerk and least liked among all the Pac 12 coaches, an asshole on the sidelines, and the refs don't do anything to reign him in.
    Just one time it would be nice to see him hit with an early tech...maybe he should just start every game out with one. No wonder Hill was livid.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    I like this team. I like Bibbins. We don't have a go to scorer and our bench is thin. I think PVD is playing better. I think Seeley has a lot of potential. Tillman is way good for a Frosh (but a bit on the small side). If Barefield could get some consistency he is all-league. And Johnson is getting better. I think we may surprise some people by the end of the year
    PVD still can’t shoot.

    He’s 2-8 from the game, and all 8 shots are 3’s.

    For the year he’s at 32% overall, 26% from 3, 67% from the line and gets less than 1 rebound per game

    I hope his game improves, but I don’t know that he’s the guy we want taking that many 3’s


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    PVD still can’t shoot.

    He’s 2-8 from the game, and all 8 shots are 3’s.

    For the year he’s at 32% overall, 26% from 3, 67% from the line and gets less than 1 rebound per game

    I hope his game improves, but I don’t know that he’s the guy we want taking that many 3’s
    Same problem all season. We keep trying Bealer, Caldwell, and PVD in that 5th man role. All we need is someone who will (1) hit open threes, (2) play energetic defense, and (3) not turn the ball over. We can't seem to find someone to make it work.

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    Getting Our Mojo Back - Utah hosts Washington/Wazzu

    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    So here is a tidbit I heard last night at the game: when CH got dinged $10K for yelling at the head of officials, it wasn't because of the foul calls during the game. Hill was furious that the refs let Hurley get away with murder on the sideline all game long. It is widely agreed upon that Hurley is the biggest jerk and least liked among all the Pac 12 coaches, an asshole on the sidelines, and the refs don't do anything to reign him in.
    As I watched that game it was from the same seat I’ve always sat in. The same place I’d always get a hello and quick chat from Big Rick as he went to the floor for all those years.

    I looked at my parents at halftime and told them if this was the mid 90’s Majerus would already have been ejected for half of what Hurley did. The league has obviously told the officials to look the other way

    I also find it odd Dr Hill was fined when his rant was picked up by the media for ‘public comments’ but Hurley who whines to the media only got a “reprimand”, no fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Same problem all season. We keep trying Bealer, Caldwell, and PVD in that 5th man role. All we need is someone who will (1) hit open threes, (2) play energetic defense, and (3) not turn the ball over. We can't seem to find someone to make it work.
    Swinney made an interesting point on his podcast this week (I listened to the whole thing while I was home, sick). He said Utah has too many "marginal PAC-12 players" on the roster. I think he's right, and that's why we can't find the "someone to make it work." We need 2-3 more true PAC-12 talents on the team. Maybe next year's incoming players from the strong recruiting class will be the answer going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    I looked at my parents at halftime and told them if this was the mid 90’s Majerus would already have been ejected for half of what Hurley did. The league has obviously told the officials to look the other way

    I also find it odd Dr Hill was fined when his rant was picked up by the media for ‘public comments’ but Hurley who whines to the media only got a “reprimand”, no fine.
    Hurley learned from the master.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Swinney made an interesting point on his podcast this week (I listened to the whole thing while I was home, sick). He said Utah has too many "marginal PAC-12 players" on the roster. I think he's right, and that's why we can't find the "someone to make it work." We need 2-3 more true PAC-12 talents on the team.
    I agree with this.
    When the Utes played AZ, the only player on Utah who "looked" like an AZ-type athlete was Tillman.

    Bibbins gets a lot out of his body and I love watching him play. I am concerned that he led the team in rebounds last night.
    Johnson has a Pac-12 body and he gives effort. I'm wondering when/if it will "click" for him on the offensive end.
    Barefield shows flashes, but he has been MIA for two weeks.

    Collette plays hard, but I think, deep-down, he is really a MWC player, Rawson has over-achieved, and PVD is . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Seeley is fun to watch. He made the "money" gesture to USC when some player (I forget which) got in his face, and vs. Washington he just smiled at a staredown. I like him.

    Finally, on TV last night the Huntsman Center looked like the entire top level was empty. Was this the case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solon View Post

    Finally, on TV last night the Huntsman Center looked like the entire top level was empty. Was this the case?
    I couldn’t make the game, I didn’t want to leave 30 minutes in to get to work

    I think an 8PM tip on a week night, coupled with the losing streak didn’t help.

    And I’m sure I-15 being completely closed from 9000 S to I-215 from 7:20 PM on didn’t help....the roads were disasters, nowhere for people to go.


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