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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Here we go. LSU Tigers.

    Kenpom has them #61, Utah #67. Sagarin has Utah #59, LSU #68.

    LSU has wins against tournament teams Michigan, Houston, A&M (twice), Mizzou, Arkansas (twice). Enough good wins to be a tournament team. Most of their losses were to tournament teams or bubble teams, but they did lose to UGa (twice), Vandy, and S Carolina as well.

    They have a 9-man rotation. Three players average double digit scoring. They have 7 players shooting 34% or better from outside.

    Waters is the star - he's a 5'11'' guard getting 16 ppg, 3.4 rpg, and 5.9 apg. Reath is the big - getting 12.7 ppg, 5.4 rpg, and shooting 55% from the floor and 43% from outside.
    If LSU sweeps Georgia instead of vice-versa, this is a tournament team. They've got more high moments than Utah, but more bad losses, too. We're 4.5-point favorites, which is probably right, given LSU hasn't won a road game since January, and has lost eight straight. Strangely enough, it won it's first four, including games at Michigan and TAMU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    If LSU sweeps Georgia instead of vice-versa, this is a tournament team. They've got more high moments than Utah, but more bad losses, too. We're 4.5-point favorites, which is probably right, given LSU hasn't won a road game since January, and has lost eight straight. Strangely enough, it won it's first four, including games at Michigan and TAMU.
    these games are so hard to read. Utah looked both good and pathetic at times against UC Davis. Maybe Larry needs to throw a chair during the pre-game just to ensure we get a full effort from the tip.

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    these games are so hard to read. Utah looked both good and pathetic at times against UC Davis. Maybe Larry needs to throw a chair during the pre-game just to ensure we get a full effort from the tip.
    Let's all throw a chair at 6:45 tonight.

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    This is for good luck tonight:

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    Utes should've just done this all year...way more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Utes should've just done this all year...way more fun.

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    utes are Rollin, the only unanswered question is whether BYU could make it past half court

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    Pull 'em, Larry. It's jokl time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Pull 'em, Larry. It's jokl time.
    Well this was fun.
    σοφῷ ἀνδρὶ Ἑλλὰς πάντα.
    -- Flavius Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 1.35.2.

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    St Mary's fans are jacked about the nit.

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    That was a fun game. Sat in Section W, Row 5 (front) and got some good views.

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    Well, Washington lost to SMC 81-85. I guess I just attended our last home-game of the season. Let's go beat SMC.

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    Down go the Trojans!

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    Utes last Pac-12 team still playing.


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    Utes last Pac-12 team still playing.


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    Not a great year for the PAC 12 in both football and basketball. Yikes.


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    So can we overcome our recent St. Mary’s curse? They’ve lost only one game at home all season, against Gonzaga. How do we match up against them? Sure would be nice to get a good post-season win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Utes last Pac-12 team still playing.


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    Stupid pac12; we always have to clean up their mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    There is no justifiably good idea that comes from this. Your starters' bad habits that get them into foul trouble aren't really addressed, and your bench players that would come in for a foul-plagued starter get less floor time and development. More fouls, more foul shots, more dragging out of games. No thanks.
    I guess you are okay with watching kids sit for huge portions of the game. Of course, the refs don't ever screw up, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    So can we overcome our recent St. Mary’s curse? They’ve lost only one game at home all season, against Gonzaga. How do we match up against them? Sure would be nice to get a good post-season win.
    It's not a St. Mary's curse, but a WCC curse. Pretty sure we've lost our last four against teams from that league (Gonzaga, St. Mary's, BYU, San Francisco).

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    Quote Originally Posted by snafu View Post
    I guess you are okay with watching kids sit for huge portions of the game. Of course, the refs don't ever screw up, right?
    Foul trouble has been part of the game since rules were drawn up. If kids sitting is what's driving this, then just drop the charade and give them unlimited fouls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Foul trouble has been part of the game since rules were drawn up. If kids sitting is what's driving this, then just drop the charade and give them unlimited fouls.
    They should just do 2 shots and the ball for every foul past 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    It's not a St. Mary's curse, but a WCC curse. Pretty sure we've lost our last four against teams from that league (Gonzaga, St. Mary's, BYU, San Francisco).
    Kenpom/Sagarin have St Mary's rated much higher than us (30 or so vs 60 or so).

    Wasn't there once a rumor that we negotiated with Randy Bennet, but he turned us down? I wonder (if the rumor is true) whether or not he regrets that. Larry makes soooooo much money. That could have been Randy's $$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Kenpom/Sagarin have St Mary's rated much higher than us (30 or so vs 60 or so).

    Wasn't there once a rumor that we negotiated with Randy Bennet, but he turned us down? I wonder (if the rumor is true) whether or not he regrets that. Larry makes soooooo much money. That could have been Randy's $$$.
    I think it was more than a rumor. IIRC, it was fairly well acknowledged at the time. He has turned down lots of other jobs, so who knows if he regrets it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I think it was more than a rumor. IIRC, it was fairly well acknowledged at the time. He has turned down lots of other jobs, so who knows if he regrets it.
    Chris Hill called him (or maybe his agent) and had a conversation or two. My sense is that it never got serious. I think anything else that has been said about those discussions has to be considered rumor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Chris Hill called him (or maybe his agent) and had a conversation or two. My sense is that it never got serious. I think anything else that has been said about those discussions has to be considered rumor.


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    he was our first choice

    I got curious so I went back and googled it. I forgot that good ole JazzyUte broke the story and all hell broke loose. But it got serious enough that Bennett turned down an offer.


    https://www.blocku.com/2011/3/23/206...-down-utah-job



    http://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/smc...t-says-no-utah
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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    he was our first choice

    I got curious so I went back and googled it. I forgot that good ole JazzyUte broke the story and all hell broke loose. But it got serious enough that Bennett turned down an offer.


    https://www.blocku.com/2011/3/23/206...-down-utah-job



    http://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/smc...t-says-no-utah
    Could be. I don't know. (BTW, I have no confidence - none - in Jazzy as a source of information. He had that blog taken away from him because of his antics.) I do recall Comrade Crimson going nuts over that and claiming to have inside info that Hill did something wrong and offended Bennett. That was a wild time.

    I do recall that at that time all the information about this was coming from Bennett's agent. As for the NCB Sports report, Chris Hill's son goes by Christopher and was at that time working for the U. Maybe Christoper was actually the guest at that hotel. Chris registered using his son's name. (Cue suspenseful background music here.)

    BTW, a Google search of "Randy Bennett job offers" shows that since the 2011 fiasco with Utah he has turned down Cal and UNLV, and last fall signed a new 10-year contract with St. Mary's. FWIW. Also FWIW, everything I've ever heard from people close to Chris Hill is that Krysko was always his first choice. That infuriates some people but it may well be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Could be. I don't know. (BTW, I have no confidence - none - in Jazzy as a source of information. He had that blog taken away from him because of his antics.) I do recall Comrade Crimson going nuts over that and claiming to have inside info that Hill did something wrong and offended Bennett. That was a wild time.

    BTW, a Google search of "Randy Bennett job offers" shows that since the 2011 fiasco with Utah he has turned down Cal and UNLV, and last fall signed a new 10-year contract with St. Mary's. FWIW.

    IIRC, we didnt offer Bennett enough money. He felt lowballed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    IIRC, we didnt offer Bennett enough money. He felt lowballed.
    Right! I forgot that narrative. Comrade Crimson swore that it was true. But I also recall that it was Bennett's agent who was pushing that narrative.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Could be. I don't know. (BTW, I have no confidence - none - in Jazzy as a source of information. He had that blog taken away from him because of his antics.) I do recall Comrade Crimson going nuts over that and claiming to have inside info that Hill did something wrong and offended Bennett. That was a wild time.

    BTW, a Google search of "Randy Bennett job offers" shows that since the 2011 fiasco with Utah he has turned down Cal and UNLV, and last fall signed a new 10-year contract with St. Mary's. FWIW.
    Would it surprise anyone if Jazzy was getting his stuff from Uf.n or from self-proclaimed insiders on utezone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Would it surprise anyone if Jazzy was getting his stuff from Uf.n or from self-proclaimed insiders on utezone?
    Not me.

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    I don't think Jazzy had the entire story. No question Bennett was on Chris' list but Larry was number one just as he had been a few years before when Boylen was eventually hired.

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