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  1. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I am hoping that he'll settle down with time. He understandably looked scared against ASU.
    Yeah, I think that's a reasonable hope. He wasn't the only one who looked scared. Shelley's 2nd series had panic written all over the playcalling: run on 1st (stuffed), deep on 2nd, deep on 3rd. That was a wasted possession when we desperately needed something.

  2. #272
    So the standings in the pac 12 south Here's a look at all of their remaining Pac12 Schedules and projected finish ()

    Utah 4-3 (6-3)
    Ore
    @Colo

    USC 4-3 (5-4)
    CAL
    @UCLA

    Zona 4-3 (5-4)
    @Wazzu
    ASU

    Colo 2-4 (3-6)
    Wazzu
    Utah
    @Cal

    ASU 3-3 (4-5)
    UCLA
    @Ore
    @Zona

    UCLA 2-4 (2-7)
    @ASU
    USC
    Stan


    I'm thinking ASU loses at Oregon and at AZ
    I'm also thinking USC Loses to Cal

    If We end up in a 3 way tie with AZ and USC we win the south
    If we end up in a 4 way tie with ASU and ASU's loss is to AZ then ASU is the champ (Record vs the other 3 puts Utah and ASU at 2-1 then ASU with the tiebreaker)
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  3. #273
    Computers don't know Huntley is out. They still love us. Utah is #14 in the FPI, the 5th highest 6-3 team there. We are favored big in each remaining game (again, the computers don't know about Huntley).

    Season odds:

    6-6, 0.64%
    7-5, 9.33%
    8-4, 39.21%
    9-3, 50.81%

  4. #274
    Thank you CAL!
    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

  5. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Thank you CAL!
    I am a huge Oregon Ducks fan this coming week. Go Ducks. Fly!!!!!!!

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    This guy is easy to like.

    Last edited by LA Ute; 11-11-2018 at 11:29 PM.

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  7. #277
    The math is getting easy now. Just two games left. ESPN has us up to #13, between LSU and A&M.

    Based on their odds, here are the percentages:

    7-5, 2.6%
    8-4, 28.9%
    9-3, 68.5%

    ESPN, by the way, gives Oregon a 62.9% chance of beating ASU next week.

  8. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    The math is getting easy now. Just two games left. ESPN has us up to #13, between LSU and A&M.

    Based on their odds, here are the percentages:

    7-5, 2.6%
    8-4, 28.9%
    9-3, 68.5%

    ESPN, by the way, gives Oregon a 62.9% chance of beating ASU next week.
    Vegas opens up with Utah as -7.5 over Colorado and Oregon -4 over Arizona State!


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    Utah-BYU is set for 8PM on FS1

    I don’t know if I have enough layers


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    Utah-BYU is set for 8PM on FS1

    I don’t know if I have enough layers
    That's a good start time for viewers in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    Utah-BYU is set for 8PM on FS1

    I don’t know if I have enough layers


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    If Utah wins the South, that's pretty unfair considering UW vs WSU is the day before (the winner gets an extra prep day on a short week)

  12. #282
    Scenarios

    ASU is @Oregon and @ AZ
    AZ is @Wazzu and ASU

    If ASU wins both they win the South
    If AZ wins both and Utah Loses they win the south
    If Utah loses and ASU beats Oregon but Loses to AZ and AZ loses to Wazzu and USC beats UCLA - it goes to Pac12 south records.
    Records against each other (AZ 1-2, Utah 2-1 ASU 2-1, USC 1-2)

    ASU wins because AZ and USC are eliminated and ASU beat Utah

    Any other 3 way tie that doesnt have ASU Utah wins.
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  13. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Scenarios

    ASU is @Oregon and @ AZ
    AZ is @Wazzu and ASU

    If ASU wins both they win the South
    If AZ wins both and Utah Loses they win the south
    If Utah loses and ASU beats Oregon but Loses to AZ and AZ loses to Wazzu and USC beats UCLA - it goes to Pac12 south records.
    Records against each other (AZ 1-2, Utah 2-1 ASU 2-1, USC 1-2)

    ASU wins because AZ and USC are eliminated and ASU beat Utah

    Any other 3 way tie that doesnt have ASU Utah wins.
    So basically we hate ASU. Like always.

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    I got to be on the sideline for a few minutes during the Oregon game. The PAC-12 sideline reporter (I’ve forgotten her name) is a little tiny person. It was funny to see her walking around amid all those huge men.

    I also saw Kyle’s mom. She’s quite elderly and was bundled up, but vigorously walking back and forth, behind and among the team. I glanced at her pass, which allows her to go pretty much anywhere in RES.

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    USC & UCLA ranked 1st and 2nd in 5-year recruiting rankings in the Pac-12 (79 4/5-star players)Combined record: 7-13

    Washington St & Utah ranked 7th & 11th out of 12 (10 4/5-star players)Combined record: 16-4

  16. #286
    So two obvious coaching questions:

    1. Where does Mike Leach end up? Someone has to take a chance on the guy, right? He's been money at Texas Tech and Washington State, for hellsakes! Give him an SEC has been (Tenn, Mississipi, Mississipi, Mizzou) and he would blow people up.
    2. Does Clay Helton have a job on January 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    So two obvious coaching questions:
    2. Does Clay Helton have a job on January 1?
    I think Clay deserves another 2-3 years to right the Trojan ship, don't you?

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think Clay deserves another 2-3 years to right the Trojan ship, don't you?
    Absolutely! I'm all for Helton-On-Wheels for another 2-3. It's not an easy task taking over a program filled with 5-stars that is the perennial favorite to win the division. You need at least 5 years to see results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    So two obvious coaching questions:

    1. Where does Mike Leach end up? Someone has to take a chance on the guy, right? He's been money at Texas Tech and Washington State, for hellsakes! Give him an SEC has been (Tenn, Mississipi, Mississipi, Mizzou) and he would blow people up.
    2. Does Clay Helton have a job on January 1?
    None of those SEC schools are really in the market for a coach. All are in their first year except Barry Odom at Missouri, and he's got the Tigers trending upward.

    I love Leach, but also take into consideration his zaniness is a result from being in media markets that generally treat the host HC with kid gloves. If Jeff Brohm leaves Purdue for Louisville, it would make too much sense for the Boilermakers to make a run at him.

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    Wasn't there a minute during Tennessee's coaching circus last off-season where Leach was (allegedly) about to be hired? I think that would have been fantastic on a number of levels (not the least of which is that Utah can't seem to beat him).

    On the other hand, he's an odd guy and he might be someone who is more content to ride things out in a place like Pullman rather than gunning for something "bigger and better".

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    Quote Originally Posted by UBlender View Post
    Wasn't there a minute during Tennessee's coaching circus last off-season where Leach was (allegedly) about to be hired? I think that would have been fantastic on a number of levels (not the least of which is that Utah can't seem to beat him).

    On the other hand, he's an odd guy and he might be someone who is more content to ride things out in a place like Pullman rather than gunning for something "bigger and better".
    Leach is every fanbase’s darling, but every AD’s nightmare. You’re getting it all when you hire Mike, most notably, his willingness to do or say whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and with zero flips as to the consequences.

  22. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    So two obvious coaching questions:

    1. Where does Mike Leach end up? Someone has to take a chance on the guy, right? He's been money at Texas Tech and Washington State, for hellsakes! Give him an SEC has been (Tenn, Mississipi, Mississipi, Mizzou) and he would blow people up.
    2. Does Clay Helton have a job on January 1?
    Another bad loss for Helton, and the Mad Bomber may be coaching the Trojans next year.

  23. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    Another bad loss for Helton, and the Mad Bomber may be coaching the Trojans next year.

    You keep reading that Jack Del Rio has positioned himself to get the job. If I were Swann, I would hire Wilcox at Cal.

  24. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    You keep reading that Jack Del Rio has positioned himself to get the job. If I were Swann, I would hire Wilcox at Cal.
    I thought it was Jeff Fisher I kept hearing about? USC should be able to do better. They should be able to poach an established big name. They should never have to settle for something unproven like Helton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I thought it was Jeff Fisher I kept hearing about? USC should be able to do better. They should be able to poach an established big name. They should never have to settle for something unproven like Helton.
    I really think everyone is being unfair to Helton. I want him to have a fair chance -- another 5 years at least. The conference needs him there at U$C.

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    Video about Brit Covey. 7 minutes long but really worth watching. If we want blue-chip LDS athletes, this will be helpful.

    https://youtu.be/xPHg3Ror8Cc

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I really think everyone is being unfair to Helton. I want him to have a fair chance -- another 5 years at least. The conference needs him there at U$C.
    Laute is the only making sense on this thread. 5 years is the MINIMUM time to turn around uscs program. Anything less would kill recruiting.

  28. #298
    Can someone explain the Pac-12 tiebreakers to me? I keep hearing that in a four-way tie scenario (Utah loses to CO, USC beats UCLA) that ASU goes to the championship if they beat Arizona (meaning that they lose to Oregon and Arizona beats WSU), but Utah goes if Arizona wins against the Devils (meaning that Arizona lost to WSU and ASU beat Oregon). Why? Wouldn't Arizona and USC be eliminated because of head to head results (Arizona would have lost to Utah and USC; USC would have lost to ASU and Utah). Then is ASU eliminated because Utah beat Stanford and ASU lost? Seems like an odd tiebreaker, but whatevs.

  29. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Can someone explain the Pac-12 tiebreakers to me? I keep hearing that in a four-way tie scenario (Utah loses to CO, USC beats UCLA) that ASU goes to the championship if they beat Arizona (meaning that they lose to Oregon and Arizona beats WSU), but Utah goes if Arizona wins against the Devils (meaning that Arizona lost to WSU and ASU beat Oregon). Why? Wouldn't Arizona and USC be eliminated because of head to head results (Arizona would have lost to Utah and USC; USC would have lost to ASU and Utah). Then is ASU eliminated because Utah beat Stanford and ASU lost? Seems like an odd tiebreaker, but whatevs.
    Tiebreakers with multiple teams
    1. Record Against the Other tied teams - In the 4 team case it would be Utah 2-1 ASU 2-1 Zona 1-2 USC 1-2- AZ&USC eliminated thus it goes Utah vs ASU which they won ASU wins tiebreakerIf

    In the 3 team case - AZ Utah and USC - Utah is 2-0 and wins the tiebreaker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Laute is the only making sense on this thread. 5 years is the MINIMUM time to turn around uscs program. Anything less would kill recruiting.
    He's gone. No way they keep him. That hire never made any sense.

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