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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Tucker Carlson has been a quote machine lately.
    That’s a good one, but I am looking for something Peter Fonda level.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Tucker Carlson has been a quote machine lately.
    He's one of the first that came to mind. His latest is blaming inequality to destabilizing the family unit and increasing incarceration rates. What inequality was he claiming? When women earn more than men.

    But the quote that really stands out to me is Laura Ingraham comparing the detained child separation kids along the border to "camp."

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    Besides all the accurate adjectives LA Ute used, there are some real curiosities in some of the stuff that comes out of Trump's mouth.

    Part of his commentary on the Soviets and Afghanistan included the claim that the 1979 invasion was justified to fight terrorists. Except that wasn't the case, and nobody in the obscure corners of Central and South Asian academics thinks this was a valid perspective of what happened almost 40 years ago.

    It just so happens the only place where this is being discussed is by Putin's political party in Russia, who are seeking to re-write the history on why the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.

    This followed a couple of odd points of emphasis from Trump or his staff in the last couple of years:

    - Trump claiming Montenegro is full of very aggressive people who are trying to start WW III. (This was around the same time when a Russian backed coup plan was derailed by one of the insiders, who decided knocking off their Prime Minister wasn't a good idea. That plan was to prevent Montenegro from joining NATO, which they did, anyway.)

    - In the first two weeks of the Trump presidency, the US National Security team announced they were following up on reports of Poland seeking to destabilize Belarus... which was reported nowhere else and didn't cause any other nation to take note... because it was a dis-information campaign by Russia to dissuade Belarus from joining NATO.

    Trump says a lot of bizarre, offensive and patently untrue things, but where did he get the specific points on the Soviet Afghanistan invasion of 1979, and that Montenegro is a small nation of highly aggressive warmongers trying to usher in the Apocaplyse?

    (Rachel Maddow may be an unabashed partisan liberal, but she's pretty smart and her staff digs out some stuff otherwise missed.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    Besides all the accurate adjectives LA Ute used, there are some real curiosities in some of the stuff that comes out of Trump's mouth.

    Part of his commentary on the Soviets and Afghanistan included the claim that the 1979 invasion was justified to fight terrorists. Except that wasn't the case, and nobody in the obscure corners of Central and South Asian academics thinks this was a valid perspective of what happened almost 40 years ago.

    It just so happens the only place where this is being discussed is by Putin's political party in Russia, who are seeking to re-write the history on why the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.

    This followed a couple of odd points of emphasis from Trump or his staff in the last couple of years:

    - Trump claiming Montenegro is full of very aggressive people who are trying to start WW III. (This was around the same time when a Russian backed coup plan was derailed by one of the insiders, who decided knocking off their Prime Minister wasn't a good idea. That plan was to prevent Montenegro from joining NATO, which they did, anyway.)

    - In the first two weeks of the Trump presidency, the US National Security team announced they were following up on reports of Poland seeking to destabilize Belarus... which was reported nowhere else and didn't cause any other nation to take note... because it was a dis-information campaign by Russia to dissuade Belarus from joining NATO.

    Trump says a lot of bizarre, offensive and patently untrue things, but where did he get the specific points on the Soviet Afghanistan invasion of 1979, and that Montenegro is a small nation of highly aggressive warmongers trying to usher in the Apocaplyse?

    (Rachel Maddow may be an unabashed partisan liberal, but she's pretty smart and her staff digs out some stuff otherwise missed.)

    He is such an easy target. Even the Wall Street Journal editorial board bashed him this morning.

    Trump’s Cracked Afghan History
    His falsehoods about allies and the Soviets reach a new low.

    President Trump’s remarks on Afghanistan at his Cabinet meeting Wednesday were a notable event. They will be criticized heavily, and deservedly so. The full text is available on the White House website.

    Mr. Trump ridiculed other nations’ commitment of troops to fight alongside America’s in Afghanistan. He said, “They tell me a hundred times, ‘Oh, we sent you soldiers. We sent you soldiers.’”

    This mockery is a slander against every ally that has supported the U.S. effort in Afghanistan with troops who fought and often died. The United Kingdom has had more than 450 killed fighting in Afghanistan.

    As reprehensible was Mr. Trump’s utterly false narrative of the Soviet Union’s involvement there in the 1980s. He said: “The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there.”

    Right to be there? We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American President. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan with three divisions in December 1979 to prop up a fellow communist government.

    The invasion was condemned throughout the non-communist world. The Soviets justified the invasion as an extension of the Brezhnev Doctrine, asserting their right to prevent countries from leaving the communist sphere. They stayed until 1989.

    The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a defining event in the Cold War, making clear to all serious people the reality of the communist Kremlin’s threat. Mr. Trump’s cracked history can’t alter that reality.

    Appeared in the January 4, 2019, print edition.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-...ry-11546560234

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    That’s a good one, but I am looking for something Peter Fonda level.
    I googled around and found a few (see below). Not sure how old some of them are, and haven't fact checked any, but thought some were funny. LA Ute, threw in a couple Romney ones and a Hatch one just for you. I know that if I wanted to spend the time, just between Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Sanders, and other pundits, there is a treasure trove of dumb quotes made in 2018.


    “Exercise freaks are the ones putting stress on the health care system.” ~ Rush Limbaugh


    “Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society.” ~ Rush Limbaugh


    “Good Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.” ~ Jerry Falwell


    “Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.” ~ Jerry Falwell


    “[America has to import so many workers because] for the last 35 years we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce.” ~ Mike Huckabee


    “I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when it started.” ~ Donald Rumsfeld


    “My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better. ~ Andre Bauer


    “The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them.” ~ Rush Limbaugh


    “The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” ~ Pat Robertson


    “Juarez is reported to be the most dangerous city in America.” ~ Rick Perry


    “I had other priorities in the sixties than military service.” ~ Dick Cheney


    “I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.” ~ Michele Bachmann


    “I feel the best way to ensure Americans’ freedom is to tighten restrictions on that freedom in any way possible. Only through wiretaps, illegal searches and seizures, unfettered government intrusion, a controlled media and a complete crackdown on free speech can we ensure the liberties of all people.” ~ John Ashcroft


    “The greatest threat to America is not necessarily a recession or even another terrorist attack. The greatest threat to America is a liberal media bias.” ~ Rep. Lamar Smith


    “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” ~ Rep. Michele Bachmann


    “I should tell my story. I’m also unemployed.” ~ Mitt Romney


    “I saw the young man over there with eggs Benedict, with hollandaise sauce. And I was going to suggest to you that you serve your eggs with hollandaise sauce in hubcaps. Because there’s no plates like chrome for the hollandaise.” ~ Mitt Romney


    “Capital punishment is our way of demonstrating the sanctity of life.” ~ Orrin Hatch

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    Romney for the win with his lame hollandaise joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyUte View Post
    I googled around and found a few (see below). Not sure how old some of them are, and haven't fact checked any, but thought some were funny. LA Ute, threw in a couple Romney ones and a Hatch one just for you. I know that if I wanted to spend the time, just between Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Sanders, and other pundits, there is a treasure trove of dumb quotes made in 2018.


    “Exercise freaks are the ones putting stress on the health care system.” ~ Rush Limbaugh


    “Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society.” ~ Rush Limbaugh


    “Good Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.” ~ Jerry Falwell


    “Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.” ~ Jerry Falwell


    “[America has to import so many workers because] for the last 35 years we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce.” ~ Mike Huckabee


    “I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when it started.” ~ Donald Rumsfeld


    “My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better. ~ Andre Bauer


    “The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them.” ~ Rush Limbaugh


    “The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” ~ Pat Robertson


    “Juarez is reported to be the most dangerous city in America.” ~ Rick Perry


    “I had other priorities in the sixties than military service.” ~ Dick Cheney


    “I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.” ~ Michele Bachmann


    “I feel the best way to ensure Americans’ freedom is to tighten restrictions on that freedom in any way possible. Only through wiretaps, illegal searches and seizures, unfettered government intrusion, a controlled media and a complete crackdown on free speech can we ensure the liberties of all people.” ~ John Ashcroft


    “The greatest threat to America is not necessarily a recession or even another terrorist attack. The greatest threat to America is a liberal media bias.” ~ Rep. Lamar Smith


    “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” ~ Rep. Michele Bachmann


    “I should tell my story. I’m also unemployed.” ~ Mitt Romney


    “I saw the young man over there with eggs Benedict, with hollandaise sauce. And I was going to suggest to you that you serve your eggs with hollandaise sauce in hubcaps. Because there’s no plates like chrome for the hollandaise.” ~ Mitt Romney


    “Capital punishment is our way of demonstrating the sanctity of life.” ~ Orrin Hatch
    I think Michele Bachman wins the chicken dinner -- twice!

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    That’s a good one, but I am looking for something Peter Fonda level.
    See: Alex Jones.

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    There is no way that the Ashcroft quote is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    There is no way that the Ashcroft quote is real.
    "Some of these quotes are made up." -Abraham Lincoln


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    Snowflake conservatives getting bent about Rashida Tlaib is rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Snowflake conservatives getting bent about Rashida Tlaib is rich.
    I haven't seen any, but I've seen a lot of other people accusing snowflake conservatives of getting bent. Same with dance video of Alexandria O-Cortez. My twitter was full of people chiding conservatives for their overreaction...an overreaction that was missing from my twitter. I don't follow many political accounts. Maybe I only saw the responses. Twitter is the worst thing not named facebook.

    I did see some people correctly saying that her language was inappropriate for a congresswoman. The tribalism is on full display here. Trump is rightly criticized for being boorish, but Tlaib is not. Her behavior, of course, doesn't hold a candle to his, but multiple wrongs don't make a right.

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    I thought the O-Cortez dance video was charming.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I thought the O-Cortez dance video was charming.
    Sure, so did everyone else. But there is some set of people out there convinced that half the nation is completely outraged over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Sure, so did everyone else. But there is some set of people out there convinced that half the nation is completely outraged over it.
    Millions of Americans on both ends of the political spectrum need to lighten up.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Senator Tim Scott Excoriates the GOP For Being Silent on Rep. Steve King & Racism in Blistering Op-Ed

    https://www.redstate.com/kimberly_ro...-racism-op-ed/

    I think Sen. Scott must be applauded. (Red State is a pretty conservative site that I rarely read.) I hope that here we don’t go down the path of beating up on all Republicans as racist, the GOP as a racist party, etc. It’s great that Scott is saying this. There should be no home for racism and leaders like him help make that the case.

    I stipulate, BTW, than Trump is a tone-deaf idiot on race. So maybe we can talk about this without endless discussion of something everyone already knows.

    Also, here’s National Review and the influential Jonah Goldberg on the same issue:

    Steve King’s Bigotry Is the Antithesis of American Ideals

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...erican-ideals/

    It was William F. Buckley in the 1950s who pretty much banned the John Birch Society from the party and from the conservative movement. National Review matters.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 01-12-2019 at 05:17 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    These researchers have academic integrity. Good for them. I hope they redo their study and republish it.

    https://nypost.com/2019/01/11/widely...y-researchers/

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    McCarthy strips Steve King of committee assignments after accusations he backed white supremacy

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...hite-supremacy

    I wonder if we’ll see any action about Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, on the other side of the aisle.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 01-15-2019 at 09:49 AM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    ]B]McCarthy strips Steve King of committee assignments after accusations he backed white supremacy[/B]

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...hite-supremacy

    I wonder if we’ll see any action about Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, on the other side of the aisle.
    As the article said, he's had more than one strike. Remind me what Omar and Tlaib said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    As the article said, he's had more than one strike. Remind me what Omar and Tlaib said.
    I wasn't 100% serious. Here's Tlaib:

    Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) displayed a map on her first day in the House of Representatives with a note posted over Israel that reads “Palestine.”

    Buzzfeed reporter Hannah Allam posted on Twitter, “Someone has already made a slight alteration to the map that hangs in Rashida Tlaib’s new congressional office.”
    Even before she was sworn in on Thursday, which was attended by Women’s March leader and anti-Israel activist Linda Sarsour – who has been criticized for not condemning her ties with anti-Semitic Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan- Tlaib endorsed the BDS movmeent(sic) and announced her own upcoming congressional delegation trip to the West Bank, details of which have not be announced.

    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/...939501596.html


    That's just a political position that will outrage many. But since I am constantly being challenged for not denouncing everything that any GOP officeholder says or does, I thought I'd have some fun with you guys.

    Then there's this:
    [I]


    Maybe there will be other Dems admonishing her for descending even beyond Trump's level (or maybe he has used obscenity in public, in front of children, in which case she's descending only to his level).

    Here's Ilhan Omar:

    Omar, a Muslim Somali-American elected last week to replace outgoing Rep. Keith Ellison (D., Minn.) in the House, fought accusations that she held anti-Israel views during her campaign. As part of that effort, she told a group of Jewish voters in the state that she opposed the economic boycott of Israel, calling it “counteractive” and “not helpful in getting that two-state solution.”
    But Omar’s tune has changed since winning the election. In an interview published Sunday by MuslimGirl, Omar said she “supports the BDS movement.”“Ilhan believes in and supports the BDS movement, and has fought to make sure people’s right to support it isn’t criminalized,” her campaign told MuslimGirl, which said Omar had been criticized for coming out against BDS. Omar’s campaign also pointed MuslimGirl to her vote against an anti-BDS bill in Minnesota’s state legislature and her argument that boycott movements were successful in South Africa.The comment is seen as a complete reversal by members of the Jewish community in her district.


    Just another political statement, not obscenity. Any denunciation would also be political. And I am aware that many here (like my friend Ma'ake) are not fond of Israel.

    One last shot:

    The 2018 midterm will bring many new faces to Washington, but few will find as much adoration as Ilhan Omar. One of the first two Muslim women elected to Congress, Omar, who will represent Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District, is a Somali refugee with a celebrity aura and an uplifting story.

    What went curiously unmentioned in all the flattering post-election coverage, however, was that Omar, who replaces Keith Ellison — a former acolyte of anti-Semitic minister Louis Farrakhan — also has some exotic notions about the Jewish people.
    In a 2012 tweet, for instance, the Democrat explained that “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel. #Gaza #Palestine #Israel.”Meanwhile, the other Muslim woman headed to Congress is Michigan Democrat Rashida Tlaib, the daughter of Palestinian immigrants who wants to cut aid to the Jewish state because supporting it “doesn’t fit the values of our country.”

    Writer David Steinberg identified 105 news stories written in the immediate aftermath of Omar’s victory, and not a single one mentioned that she believed Jewry possessed mind-control abilities or that Israel was “evil.” No one called on the Democratic Party to distance itself from this rhetoric.No one at the partisan Anti-Defamation League, ostensibly tasked with stopping anti-Jewish libel but in reality busy hyperventilating over every far-flung right-wing bigot with a handful of supporters, paid her any attention.


    https://nypost.com/2018/11/11/heres-the-anti-semitism-the-media-doesnt-want-to-mention/amp/?fbclid=IwAR2O5AQX2LAEkgldG-T626BGml6-yXsfj2MVjn9ysGNgpAOpN8wO6AUGq7Q

    Hey, this is your political party, not mine!
    Last edited by LA Ute; 01-15-2019 at 10:15 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    And I am aware that many here (like my friend Ma'ake) are not fond of Israel.
    Foul ! !

    Given the events between that debate & today, I'm far more interested to see how we can get Andy Ludwig to sport a ponytail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    Foul ! !

    Given the events between that debate & today, I'm far more interested to see how we can get Andy Ludwig to sport a ponytail.

    I may have confused you with Pangloss, who is very sympathetic to the Arab cause and not a big fan of Israel. But maybe I’ve got him wrong too.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I may have confused you with Pangloss, who is very sympathetic to the Arab cause and not a big fan of Israel. But maybe I’ve got him wrong too.
    I am sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and not a big fan of how Israel has been allowed to remove Palestinians from their homes and lands. The walls the Israelis have built along the westbank are reminiscent of the Berlin wall and how it prevented East Germans from traveling back and forth from home to work. The land on which the wall is built was seized from Palestinians without financial recompense. Primarily Palestinian areas within the original borders of Israel have been allowed to turn into ghettos due to a complete failure to provide infrastructure such as water, sewer, electricity, etc. which are provided to Israeli neighborhoods that they border or they have been overtaken by Israeli's. Israel has passed a law allowing it to seize the property of Palestinians for new Israeli settlements. While I understand that Israel is a target for terrorism and has the right to protect itself and its citizens, Israel has been opposed to the two-State solution since it was first established in 1948 and will do everything within its power to prevent a Palestinian state from ever existing again.

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    Will litigation against Big Pharma for opiod related issues turn out the same way as the tobacco litigation of the 80's?

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...medium=twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I am sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and not a big fan of how Israel has been allowed to remove Palestinians from their homes and lands. The walls the Israelis have built along the westbank are reminiscent of the Berlin wall and how it prevented East Germans from traveling back and forth from home to work. The land on which the wall is built was seized from Palestinians without financial recompense. Primarily Palestinian areas within the original borders of Israel have been allowed to turn into ghettos due to a complete failure to provide infrastructure such as water, sewer, electricity, etc. which are provided to Israeli neighborhoods that they border or they have been overtaken by Israeli's. Israel has passed a law allowing it to seize the property of Palestinians for new Israeli settlements. While I understand that Israel is a target for terrorism and has the right to protect itself and its citizens, Israel has been opposed to the two-State solution since it was first established in 1948 and will do everything within its power to prevent a Palestinian state from ever existing again.
    My own view is that Israel is not blameless in the conflict, which upsets many of my Jewish friends. However, I have heard (repeatedly) strong responses to most of the points you raise. I am not an expert in the conflict so won't wade into those. My point is that there seems to be a strong resurgence of anti-semitism on the left, exemplified by the statements of the two new Democratic members of Congress referred to in my post. The silence from their fellow Democrats has been deafening.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    My own view is that Israel is not blameless in the conflict, which upsets many of my Jewish friends. However, I have heard (repeatedly) strong responses to most of the points you raise. I am not an expert in the conflict so won't wade into those. My point is that there seems to be a strong resurgence of anti-semitism on the left, exemplified by the statements of the two new Democratic members of Congress referred to in my post. The silence from their fellow Democrats has been deafening.
    There has unquestionably been an uptick in anti-Israel sentiment, in Europe, sometimes from liberal Jews who share resentment at the heavy handed tactics and aversion to a 2-state solution, and see this behavior as being a big part of the uptick in actual anti-Semitism. (From a narrow conservative Israeli standpoint, liberal Jews share the same ground as the KKK, which is, of course, absurd.)

    It also gives me even more appreciation for the world view of Native Americans, at least the elegant, sincere, powerful explanation/experience I had in a Shoshone sweat lodge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    My own view is that Israel is not blameless in the conflict, which upsets many of my Jewish friends. However, I have heard (repeatedly) strong responses to most of the points you raise. I am not an expert in the conflict so won't wade into those. My point is that there seems to be a strong resurgence of anti-semitism on the left, exemplified by the statements of the two new Democratic members of Congress referred to in my post. The silence from their fellow Democrats has been deafening.
    I think there is a fair way to question Israel's conduct and the US's policy in Israel and the greater middle east without being anti-Semitic just as I think one can support strong border control at the southern border without being anti-hispanic. Our current political and societal climate, however, makes it nearly impossible for those in the middle to say anything or accomplish anything because both political parties are governed and controlled by their most extreme wings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I think there is a fair way to question Israel's conduct and the US's policy in Israel and the greater middle east without being anti-Semitic just as I think one can support strong border control at the southern border without being anti-hispanic. Our current political and societal climate, however, makes it nearly impossible for those in the middle to say anything or accomplish anything because both political parties are governed and controlled by their most extreme wings.
    This thread might distinguish between Israel and Netanyahu/Likud.

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    The Democrats’ growing anti-Semitism problem

    This week, Democrats cut ties with an anti-Semitic activist organization only to choose an anti-Semitic congresswoman to serve on the House Foreitgn Affairs Committee. The Democratic Party is treating the left’s growing anti-Semitism problem as if it were a mere matter of bad optics. And that’s functionally equivalent to covering it up.

    On Monday morning, Women’s March co-president Tamika Mallory went on The View, where she faced a grilling by Meghan McCain over her support for outspoken anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan. “A lot of people, by a lot of people I include me in this, think you’re using your organization as anti-Semitism masked in activism,” McCain said, “and that you’re using identity politics to shield yourself from critiques.”

    McCain gave Mallory, who has called Farrakhan “the GOAT” (for Greatest Of All Time), an opportunity to denounce the Nation of Islam leader. Mallory chose instead to downplay her support for him. Less than a day later, the DNC pulled its sponsorship of the Women’s March. Great. But…

    On Tuesday night, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that freshman Democratic congresswoman from Minnesota, Ilhan Omar, will sit on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Some details about Omar: She supports the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanction (BDS) campaign aimed at destroying Israel. In 2012, she tweeted, “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” This week, she went on CNN and defended her tweet. On Omar’s first day in office, she met with anti-Semitic Women’s March leader (and Farrakhan fan) Linda Sarsour.

    The House Foreign Affairs Committee oversees House bills and investigations pertaining to U.S. foreign policy, and it has the power to cut American arms and technology shipments to allies. So, while the Democrats are distancing themselves from anti-Semitic activists who organize a march every now and then, they’re raising up anti-Semites to positions of power in the federal government.

    Omar isn’t the only one. Rashida Tlaib, the freshman Democratic congresswoman from Michigan, posed for a picture with a Hezbollah supporter named Abbas Hamideh at her swearing-in ceremony in Detroit. She then dined with the man—who has railed against “criminal Zionists” and tweeted things like “Long live [Hezbollah leader] Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah!” Tlaib herself has a history of tweeting out support for anti-Israel terrorists. And recently, when a group of senators opposed a bill protecting localities that boycott Israel, Tlaib said that they “forgot what country they represent.”

    There is no cosmetic fix for the anti-Semitism that’s infusing the activist left and creeping into the Democratic Party. It runs to the ideological core of intersectionality—the left’s latest religion. By the lights of intersectionality, Jews are too powerful and too white to be the targets of bigotry. So an anti-Semite is perfectly suitable as an ally against some other form of prejudice—against, say, blacks or women. And when anti-Semitism appears on the left, progressives are ready to explain it away with an assortment of convenient nuances and contextual considerations: It’s not anti-Semitism, it’s anti-Zionism; consider the good work the person has done fighting for other groups; we don’t have to embrace everything someone says to appreciate the good in them, etc.

    These new congressional Democrats were celebrated far and wide when they were elected. They’re young, outspoken, and many are female. But that just makes them extraordinarily effective ambassadors for a poisonous ideology.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...rashida-tlaib/

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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Debbie Wasserman Schultz: Why I refuse to walk with the Washington Women’s March

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/2602396002/

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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