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    Supporters of John Quincy Adams accused Andrew Jackson of murder. Meanwhile, Jackson supporters were accusing Adams of procuring prostitutes for important people in Washington.

    Politics has been this way since day one, though there have been ebbs and flows as Utebiquitous said.
    "It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view." -- Oscar Levant

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    Quote Originally Posted by USS Utah View Post
    Supporters of John Quincy Adams accused Andrew Jackson of murder. Meanwhile, Jackson supporters were accusing Adams of procuring prostitutes for important people in Washington.

    Politics has been this way since day one, though there have been ebbs and flows as Utebiquitous said.
    I blame George Washington. Without him there’s none of this nonsense.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Nice editorial cartoon about Bush 41’s passing.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-...nl_most&wpmm=1

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Rudy Guiliani accidentally tweeted a link.

    If you click on it, it is amazing.

    SFW


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    Aha. It turns out that with the way he wrote the tweet (with no space between the "G20." and the "In", Twitter tried to interpret it as a link. it initially went to a page that didn't exist, so someone bought the domain and put the page up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Aha. It turns out that with the way he wrote the tweet (with no space between the "G20." and the "In", Twitter tried to interpret it as a link. it initially went to a page that didn't exist, so someone bought the domain and put the page up.
    We all have too much free time in this country.

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    George H. W. Bush back in 1989 on whether he was too nice a guy to be president.

    https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/st...-r9qdS9ROwn6WA
    Last edited by LA Ute; 12-04-2018 at 01:14 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Two random semi-political thoughts:

    1. There is genuine affection for George HW Bush today in DC. Numerous churches dowtown are holding impromptu services for our past president. Nice to see.
    2. RBG is looking frailer than usual. I caught her at the high court recently, and she slumped our of view of the audience during the argument at times, either because she nodded off or didn't have the strength to hold herself up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    2. RBG is looking frailer than usual. I caught her at the high court recently, and she slumped our of view of the audience during the argument at times, either because she nodded off or didn't have the strength to hold herself up.
    These lifetime appointments are bonkers...and cruel.

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    These lifetime appointments are bonkers...and cruel.
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    So much for a "peaceful transfer of power" at the state level.

    The GOP dominated houses of North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin are rapidly trying to pass bills before the beginning of the year to strip power from the incoming Democratic Governor.

    This is only going to get worse before it gets better.

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    It's a bit different because (1) there's no urgency to first presidency actions and (2) they aren't trying to hang on for two more years because they're afraid of what their replacement will do to their legacy.

    When LDS prophets become unable to function, they aren't required to function. I don't think there's much cruelty in that system. RBG is gonna have to keep showing up until she dies or retires. And retirement will be considered selfish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    This is only going to get worse before it gets better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    So much for a "peaceful transfer of power" at the state level.

    The GOP dominated houses of North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin are rapidly trying to pass bills before the beginning of the year to strip power from the incoming Democratic Governor.

    This is only going to get worse before it gets better.
    Don't they have state constitutions in those states? How does the legislative branch there limit the executive's powers?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Don't they have state constitutions in those states? How does the legislative branch there limit the executive's powers?
    They do, but it is being written by the legislature and signed by the governor. So by definition they are following the state constitution.

    One branch is enabling the other branch to do a power grab because it won't be his problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    So much for a "peaceful transfer of power" at the state level.

    The GOP dominated houses of North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin are rapidly trying to pass bills before the beginning of the year to strip power from the incoming Democratic Governor.

    This is only going to get worse before it gets better.
    It is political shenanigans like this that lead people to not vote or vote for any non-politician (i.e. Trump, Schwarzinegger, Ventura, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Don't they have state constitutions in those states? How does the legislative branch there limit the executive's powers?
    In Wisconsin and thanks to gerrymandering, the Republicans won 43% of the votes but they control 63% of the seats in the legislature. The situation is remarkably undemocratic, made even worse by legislatively removing power from the incoming governor and also from the state AG (by establishing a law that allows the legislature to hire outside counsel for specific, ongoing cases - including a gerrymandering case).

    It could almost be considered a fascist take over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post

    OK. That's funny.
    “Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman

    "You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb

    "Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.

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    Impressive display of flying under the radar by Mueller, these days:

    - 3 significant court filings, some with more redactions than released text.

    - New term: "political synergy" (nice way to steer clear of using "collusion")

    Those who are following closely see the noose clearly tightening, and most (myself included, in the day-to-day stuff) have avoided following the general story.

    Just about everyone I know is disengaged, we all needed a good post-election detox.

    My hunch is Mueller is steadily pushing forward but keeping a low profile, mindful of the risk of a full-blown constitutional crisis, especially until the new House is seated.

    If these guys find a way to screw up the bowl game, I'll be bent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    Impressive display of flying under the radar by Mueller, these days:

    - 3 significant court filings, some with more redactions than released text.

    - New term: "political synergy" (nice way to steer clear of using "collusion")

    Those who are following closely see the noose clearly tightening, and most (myself included, in the day-to-day stuff) have avoided following the general story.

    Just about everyone I know is disengaged, we all needed a good post-election detox.

    My hunch is Mueller is steadily pushing forward but keeping a low profile, mindful of the risk of a full-blown constitutional crisis, especially until the new House is seated.

    If these guys find a way to screw up the bowl game, I'll be bent.
    I think Trump can hear the hounds closing in on his location. Expect all sorts of distracting craziness to ensue. (Maybe the dismissal of Kelly is the beginning).

    It is pretty amusing to see a very Baghdad Bob-esque claim from Trump and Giuliani that these documents clear him.


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    France to Probe Possible Russian Influence on Yellow Vest Riots

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...low-vests-rage

    I guess the 1980s are no longer asking to have their foreign policy back.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    France to Probe Possible Russian Influence on Yellow Vest Riots

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...low-vests-rage

    I guess the 1980s are no longer asking to have their foreign policy back.

    What a stupid comment by Obama. How naive of him. Good thing your Republican administration sees Russia for what it is and has implemented a foreign policy to counter the threat.


    p.s. at least Obama sanctioned Russia for the Ukraine and 2016 election interference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    What a stupid comment by Obama. How naive of him. Good thing your Republican administration sees Russia for what it is and has implemented a foreign policy to counter the threat.


    p.s. at least Obama sanctioned Russia for the Ukraine and 2016 election interference.
    Trump has made comments about Russia that are far more idiotic than Obama's debate statement.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Trump has made comments about Russia that are far more idiotic than Obama's debate statement.
    That said, Republicans and the punditry
    are not chortling over Trump’s stupid Russia statements the way Dems and pundits did over Obama’s debate comment, which was considered a masterful zinger.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    That said, Republicans and the punditry
    are not chortling over Trump’s stupid Russia statements the way Dems and pundits did over Obama’s debate comment, which was considered a masterful zinger.
    We now see Obama's zinger as naïve.

    44 former Senators (including 10 GOP) signed this open letter to the current Senate: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5f4fdeda7128

    (I think the ex-Senators are premature, but they may be correct in that things could move quickly and in a very bad direction.)

    Anticipating the direction of the investigations is not precise, but one serious possibility is the NRA was infused with laundered money from Moscow.

    Human nature is to rationalize your own behavior (especially if you didn't have ill intent).

    How odd would it be if substantial parts of the right (including NRA members) push back against the (presumed) findings of the investigations, take a revisionist view of what we once viewed as "Freedom vs Communism", and essentially agree with Obama's naïve zinger?

    "Russia's really not that bad, we should let Trump try to fix the unruly and dysfunctional parts of American society"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    That said, Republicans and the punditry
    are not chortling over Trump’s stupid Russia statements the way Dems and pundits did over Obama’s debate comment, which was considered a masterful zinger.

    Right. The conservative punditry has the very high ground on this one. Who said what when and who gets blamed for it is so much more important than actually doing something about it. At least Obama did that. As Maake points out, many repubs, Trump, McConnell, the NRA are practically in bed with the Russians (and the Saudis).

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Right. The conservative punditry has the very high ground on this one. Who said what when and who gets blamed for it is so much more important than actually doing something about it. At least Obama did that. As Maake points out, many repubs, Trump, McConnell, the NRA are practically in bed with the Russians (and the Saudis).
    What?! You’re believing Ma’ake instead of me? Scandalous!

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    What?! You’re believing Ma’ake instead of me? Scandalous!
    I am proud to consider myself Ma'ake's virtual comrade in arms. (choice of words may or may not be ironic; maybe I should have said brother in arms)

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I am proud to consider myself Ma'ake's virtual comrade in arms. (choice of words may or may not be ironic; maybe I should have said brother in arms)
    A commie-Freudian slip.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    A commie-Freudian slip.
    lol.

    I'm not even sure the Rooskies use that phrase anymore.

    Speaking of Rooskies, who can pinpoint this quote?

    Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

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