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    I suspect there will be more agreement here on this subject.

    Growing number of U.S. children not vaccinated against any disease

    An estimated 100,000 young children have not had a vaccination against any of the 14 diseases for which shots are recommended, according to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report released Thursday.

    “This is pretty concerning. It’s something we need to understand better — and reduce,” said the CDC’s Dr. Amanda Cohn.

    Most young children — 70 percent — have had all their shots. The new estimate is based on finding that, in 2017, 1.3 percent of the children born in 2015 were completely unvaccinated. That’s up from the 0.9 percent seen in an earlier similar assessment of the kids born in 2011. A 2001 survey with a different methodology suggested the proportion was in the neighborhood of 0.3 percent.

    Young children are especially vulnerable to complications from vaccine-preventable diseases, some of which can be fatal.
    I think the people who refuse to vaccinate their children are endangering their own kids, as well as their kids’ friends. Among other things, it’s my understanding that failing to vaccinate creates opportunities for diseases once thought eradicated to return to the population.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I suspect there will be more agreement here on this subject.

    Growing number of U.S. children not vaccinated against any disease



    I think the people who refuse to vaccinate their children are endangering their own kids, as well as their kids’ friends. Among other things, it’s my understanding that failing to vaccinate creates opportunities for diseases once thought eradicated to return to the population.
    It’s already happening.

    When my daughter was born at the U 2 months ago we appreciated their restrictions which made anyone who couldn’t show a current TDaP vaccine wear a mask anywhere on the unit.

    Whooping cough is becoming a big problem. Especially in Utah county


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    It’s already happening.

    When my daughter was born at the U 2 months ago we appreciated their restrictions which made anyone who couldn’t show a current TDaP vaccine wear a mask anywhere on the unit.

    Whooping cough is becoming a big problem. Especially in Utah county


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    Yep. Ban them from public schools.

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    A woman in my neighborhood had polio as a child. Nicest person on earth, her physical quality of life is seriously compromised. I wish she could meet all these anti-vaccinators.

    We forget what these diseases the immunizations prevent used to do.


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    Anti-vaxxers drive me nuts.

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    I’m not big on gun rights, but this seems silly to me. Virtue-signaling much more than policy.

    LA Passes Ordinance Requiring City Contractors To Disclose NRA Ties

    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018...yA6-eASWeUdudA

    My city is trying to play catch-up with San Francisco, which is doing the same regarding Berkeley.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I’m not big on gun rights, but this seems silly to me. Virtue-signaling much more than policy.

    LA Passes Ordinance Requiring City Contractors To Disclose NRA Ties

    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018...yA6-eASWeUdudA

    My city is trying to play catch-up with San Francisco, which is doing the same regarding Berkeley.
    We are wrong to care about politics as much as we do. It's crazy how many people are unable to work, play, and/or associate with people who believe differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    We are wrong to care about politics as much as we do. It's crazy how many people are unable to work, play, and/or associate with people who believe differently.
    The majority of my close friends are liberals. There's something wrong with them, or with me, or maybe with both them and me.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 10-12-2018 at 05:40 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    One of the greatest political ads ever.

    https://youtu.be/TjYihTRTrhw

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Political/Cultural Chit-Chat

    I am not taking any side in this matter, it’s just very interesting, and the outcome of the lawsuit will be interesting too, perhaps significant.

    Basic facts: A guy with an “agritourism” business, which involves a lot of re-enacting of historical events, supports Trump on social media. His operation is pretty well-known. (I know of him because many of the Latter-day Saint congregations in Southern California use his farm as a base for pioneer treks.) Anti-Trump people inside and outside of public school districts launched a boycott of his business. Response: A civil rights lawsuit.

    Here’s the federal court compliant filed in the Central District of California:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/3907...Filed-10-12-18
    Last edited by LA Ute; 10-14-2018 at 06:15 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I am not taking any side in this matter, it’s just very interesting, and the outcome of the lawsuit will be interesting too, perhaps significant.

    Basic facts: A guy with an “agritourism” business, which involves a lot of re-enacting of historical events, supports Trump on social media. His operation is pretty well-known. (I know of him because many of the Latter-day Saint congregations in Southern California use his farm as a base for pioneer treks.) Anti-Trump people inside and outside of public school districts launched a boycott of his business. Response: A civil rights lawsuit.

    Here’s the federal court compliant filed in the Central District of California:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/3907...Filed-10-12-18
    Just curious - are attorneys who bring religious rights cases and actions like this "civil rights" attorneys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    Just curious - are attorneys who bring religious rights cases and actions like this "civil rights" attorneys?
    It's not a religious rights case, it's framed in First/Fourteenth Amendment free speech terms. Doesn't 42 U.S.C. § 1983(which I always hear referred to as "Section 1983") allow lawsuits for violations of constitutional rights? I took a quick look at the complaint and it's based on that section and claims the plaintiff's free speech rights under the 1st and 14th Amendments were violated. No religious discrimination claims made. As far as I know, Riley's Farm, the plaintiff, isn't a religious organization, but does lots of historical reenactments. The pioneer trek staging they provide is only one of those. Per the complaint:

    Riley’s Farm operates an agritourism business, which it describes as a “living history farm,” in the foothills of the San Bernardino Mountains, in the rural community of Oak Glen, San Bernardino County. Its varied business activities include seasonal “U-Pick” apple and other fruit picking, produce sales, pie, pastry, cider, jam and other food sales, historical and other novelty item sales, a seasonal pumpkin patch, a restaurant and tavern, dinner theater events, hosting of corporate, family and associational events, summer “day camp” activities, film and commercial location shooting, historically-themed activities such as tomahawk throwing, candle dipping and archery, and school field trips. 17.

    Depending on the season, Riley’s Farm employs between 28 and 163 full- and part-time workers of diverse backgrounds, with the latter high number being reached during the spring “high season” for school field trips....

    Riley’s Farm’s field trip programs include immersive presentations focused on the American Revolution, the Civil War, American colonial farm life, the California Gold Rush, and the pioneer homesteading history of Oak Glen and the San Gorgonio Pass region.

    Of these presentations, the American Revolution presentation is the most popular. A large area of the Riley’s Farm premises is landscaped and themed as “Colonial Chesterfield,” portraying a New Hampshire village of the 1770s. A post-and-beam colonial tavern, orchards, a village green, stone walls, a storehouse, and a pillory furnish an authentic period environment. Students are divided into small groups (each typically accompanied by a teacher, aide or volunteer chaperone) and spend the day rotating among “stations” where “living historians” in period dress provide interactive presentations on different aspects of the history of the American Revolution and its time period.
    Looks like the complaint (which I've only skimmed) alleges that the Claremont School District has sent students to Riley Farms presentations for many years, that some people involved with the District were angry about political social media commentary by one of Riley's principals, and that somehow they got the District to stop using Riley Farms because of that. I'm no civil rights lawyer but it seems to me a key fact question will be the extent of the District's involvement. State action, you know.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    It's not a religious rights case, it's framed in First/Fourteenth Amendment free speech terms. Doesn't 42 U.S.C. § 1983(which I always hear referred to as "Section 1983") allow lawsuits for violations of constitutional rights? I took a quick look at the complaint and it's based on that section and claims the plaintiff's free speech rights under the 1st and 14th Amendments were violated. No religious discrimination claims made. As far as I know, Riley's Farm, the plaintiff, isn't a religious organization, but does lots of historical reenactments. The pioneer trek staging they provide is only one of those. Per the complaint:



    Looks like the complaint (which I've only skimmed) alleges that the Claremont School District has sent students to Riley Farms presentations for many years, that some people involved with the District were angry about political social media commentary by one of Riley's principals, and that somehow they got the District to stop using Riley Farms because of that. I'm no civil rights lawyer but it seems to me a key fact question will be the extent of the District's involvement. State action, you know.
    I was referring to suits based upon religious rights as a separate group from the case referred to. It was a lame effort at an ironic statement, based upon the traditional complaints about "civil rights attorneys," kind of like "plaintiff's attorneys."
    FYI, complaints can be brought under 1983 for violations of federal constitutional or statutory provisions ( although the activist conservative USSC has made it more difficult to enforce statutes.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    I was referring to suits based upon religious rights as a separate group from the case referred to. It was a lame effort at an ironic statement, based upon the traditional complaints about "civil rights attorneys," kind of like "plaintiff's attorneys."
    FYI, complaints can be brought under 1983 for violations of federal constitutional or statutory provisions ( although the activist conservative USSC has made it more difficult to enforce statutes.)
    You're such a commie.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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