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    Sen. Susan Collins is dead-on right.

    “What is puzzling to me is the Democrats, by not bringing this out earlier, after having had this information for more than six weeks, have managed to cast a cloud of doubt on both the professor and the judge,” Collins told The New York Times.

    Collins asked if Democrats believed Ford, "why didn't they surface this information earlier," and if they didn't believe Ford, "why did they decide at the 11th hour to release it?"

    "It is really not fair to either of them the way it is was handled," Collins said.
    https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...mpression=true

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Sen. Susan Collins is dead-on right.



    https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...mpression=true

    Just returning the favor after the whole Merrick Garland thing.

    Nothing about any of this is fair. Nor is it supposed to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Just returning the favor after the whole Merrick Garland thing.

    Nothing about any of this is fair. Nor is it supposed to be.
    Merrick Garland was power politics, stinky in a different way. This is an out and out appallingly vicious smear campaign and it stinks to high heaven. (Not that I feel strongly about this or anything.)

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    The timeline and actions of people in the know that is coming out about all of this is disturbing, proving yet again that neither party is above the fray.

    If the accuser is indeed telling the truth then I feel very badly that a horrible moment is being made a spectacle in the exact worst possible way by other women like Feinstein.

    If Kavanaugh is innocent it is a sleazy move set to brand someone for the rest of his life, because he will forever have a question mark above him now.

    And I used to wonder why good people tend to stay out of politics.

    However, regardless of all of this, the accuser needs to be heard, the evidence weighed and they need to delay proceedings until this is all cleared up. I hope the republicans do the right thing in that regard. I have little faith anyone is capable of doing the right thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Merrick Garland was power politics, stinky in a different way. This is an out and out appallingly vicious smear campaign and it stinks to high heaven. (Not that I feel strongly about this or anything.)
    Is it a smear campaign if it is true? People's personalities can certainly change from their teen years, but not necessarily. You could put a legitimate spin on hiring female law clerks and coaching girls basketball teams that is not inconsistent with the alleged teen behavior - he is in a position of power/control.
    The likely timing answer is that they were hoping not to use it, but we're unable to make a dent in the hearings.
    I think we have to be very careful about writing off such behavior if it is true. As far as fairness goes, if he did it he hasn't suffered any consequences up to now.

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    The likely timing answer is that they were hoping not to use it, but we're unable to make a dent in the hearings.
    That is nowhere near as likely as the other explanation.

    True or false, it is a smear campaign because of how it was handled. They are playing their game, and they just put their opponent in check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    The likely timing answer is that they were hoping not to use it, but we're unable to make a dent in the hearings.
    I think we have to be very careful about writing off such behavior if it is true.
    That would be even more disturbing that they sat on it hoping not to use it, because if true that is by far the weightiest concern about him. It is an actual crime and if true a despicable one at that. All other criticisms to this point were about his political ideologies, not his personal character, competence or ethics.

    So in other words if they were able to successfully defeat his appointment this would have never surfaced. What an injustice to the victim and that he would be able to continue on as a federal judge.

    They had no right to sit on it for that reason or at all. It is true, their handling of this has somehow undermined the credibility of both the accuser and the accused, and I'm a guy who is firmly in the camp that women who have the courage to come forward should have the benefit of being heard and typically believed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    Is it a smear campaign if it is true? People's personalities can certainly change from their teen years, but not necessarily. You could put a legitimate spin on hiring female law clerks and coaching girls basketball teams that is not inconsistent with the alleged teen behavior - he is in a position of power/control.
    The likely timing answer is that they were hoping not to use it, but we're unable to make a dent in the hearings.

    I think we have to be very careful about writing off such behavior if it is true. As far as fairness goes, if he did it he hasn't suffered any consequences up to now.


    Sorry, but I think this stunt is indefensible. Predictably, people will line up ideologically on the question. The charge against Kavanaugh is unprovable and impossible to disprove as well. It's disgraceful. Consider the following:

    The timing and details of how Ms. Ford came forward, and how her name was coaxed into public view, should also raise red flags about the partisan motives at play. The Post says Ms. Ford contacted the paper via a tip line in July but wanted to remain anonymous. She then brought her story to a Democratic official while still hoping to stay anonymous.Yet she also then retained a lawyer, Debra Katz, who has a history of Democratic activism and spoke in public defense of Bill Clinton against the accusations by Paula Jones. Ms. Katz urged Ms. Ford to take a polygraph test. The Post says she passed the polygraph, though a polygraph merely shows that she believes the story she is telling.

    The more relevant question is why go to such lengths if Ms. Ford really wanted her name to stay a secret? Even this weekend she could have chosen to remain anonymous. These are the actions of someone who was prepared to go public from the beginning if she had to.

    The role of Senator Dianne Feinstein is also highly irregular and transparently political. The ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee knew about Ms. Ford’s accusations in late July or early August yet kept quiet. If she took it seriously, she had multiple opportunities to ask Judge Kavanaugh or have committee staff interview the principals. But in that event the details would have been vetted and Senators would have had time to assess their credibility.

    Instead Ms. Feinstein waited until the day before a committee markup on the nomination to release a statement that she had “information” about the accusation and had sent it to the FBI.
    Her statement was a political stunt.

    She was seeking to insulate herself from liberal charges that she sat on the letter. Or—and this seems increasingly likely given the course of events—Senator Feinstein was holding the story to spring at the last minute in the hope that events would play out as they have. Surely she knew that once word of the accusation was public, the press would pursue the story and Ms. Ford would be identified by name one way or another.

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    Democrats waited until Ms. Ford went public to make public statements. But clearly some were feeding the names of Ms. Ford and her lawyer to the press, and now they are piling on what they hope will be an election-eve #MeToo conflagration.

    “Senator [and Judiciary Chairman] Grassley must postpone the vote until, at a very minimum, these serious and credible allegations are thoroughly investigated,” declared Minority Leader Chuck Schumer on Sunday. “For too long, when women have made serious allegations of abuse, they have been ignored. That cannot happen in this case.”

    His obvious political goal is to delay the confirmation vote past the election, fan the #MeToo political furies until then, and hope that at least two GOP Senators wilt under political pressure. If Republican Senators Jeff Flake and Bob Corker think a hearing will satisfy Mr. Schumer, they are right to retire from politics.

    GOP Senators should understand that the political cost of defeating Mr. Kavanaugh will likely include the loss of the Senate. Democrats are already motivated to vote against Donald Trump, and if Republicans panic now their own voters will rightly be furious. They would be letting Democrats get away with the same dirty trick they tried and failed to pull off against Clarence Thomas.

    It would also be a serious injustice to a man who has by all accounts other than Ms. Ford’s led a life of respect for women and the law. Every #MeToo miscreant is a repeat offender. The accusation against Mr. Kavanaugh is behavior manifested nowhere else in his life.

    No one, including Donald Trump, needs to attack Ms. Ford. She believes what she believes. This is not he said-she said. This is a case of an alleged teenage encounter, partially recalled 30 years later without corroboration, and brought forward to ruin Mr. Kavanaugh’s reputation for partisan purposes.

    Letting an accusation that is this old, this unsubstantiated and this procedurally irregular defeat Mr. Kavanaugh would also mean weaponizing every sexual assault allegation no matter the evidence. It will tarnish the #MeToo cause with the smear of partisanship, and it will unleash even greater polarizing furies.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-metoo-kavanaugh-ambush-1537197395
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    So, LA, what do you think your GOP should do? Seems like they've been boxed into a lose-lose situation?

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    This isn't a surprise. In fact, I'm sure the GOP was expecting something along these lines. And, if it doesn't work, the dems will attack from a different angle. The dems are desperate to kill this nomination so as not to further tilt the court right. But, this will be child's play if Trump has the opportunity to replace RBG.
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    But, this will be child's play if Trump has the opportunity to replace RBG.
    Wouldn't that happen under a democrat congress though? They could just ride it out with 8 justices.

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    Wouldn't that happen under a democrat congress though? They could just ride it out with 8 justices.
    We're quickly approaching the point where you will never get a new SC Justice unless the same party controls the Senate and the Presidency. Frankly, that's why I think Kavanaugh gets appointed; the Republicans will vote on it because if they don't confirm him they know that there won't be time to appoint and get someone through the process before the Democrats take control of the Senate, and at that point we would just have a stalemate for two years. That's where this is all heading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    We're quickly approaching the point
    I agree, but I think we're already there. It would be funny in a sad way if, 10 years from now, we're plugging along with 4-5 justices, unable to confirm anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I agree, but I think we're already there. It would be funny in a sad way if, 10 years from now, we're plugging along with 4-5 justices, unable to confirm anyone.
    There's no "think" about it. Republicans stalled for 9 months on replacing Scalia, and even before the election, McConnell was already saying that he would continue his antics past the election if Hillary won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    So, LA, what do you think your GOP should do? Seems like they've been boxed into a lose-lose situation?
    They’re doing what I thought they’d do — letting her answer questions from the panel next Monday. Kavanaugh can respond. The senators will have to decide whom to believe. It will probably go by party line, but Democrats will try really hard to peel away one or two Republicans, which is all they need. If Kavanaugh is confirmed, he will live under this cloud for the rest of his life, because there is no way to prove or disprove what happened. This is a mean and low business.

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    Passing a polygraph test merely means that you believe what you said to the examiner was true.

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    I just don't know who to believe...

    Orrin Hatch: "The Democrats aren't playing fair" (This isn't a joke - Hatch is actually making this point). "Democrats are being increasingly transparent that their game plan was about delay all along". Right. Ford waited for just the right moment to weaponize her marriage counseling, knowing it would result in death threats and the Right Wing attack factory going after the wrong Christine Ford. That's completely believable.

    Steve Bannon: "The difference between us is our side goes for the head kill, while your side engages in pillow fights"

    Hatch is crying crocodile tears, appealing to the sense of decency Bannon alludes to, hoping all these soft-hearted Democratic voters have forgotten the hypocrisy-on-steroids Garland got, and especially the Anita Hill interrogation Hatch helped administer.

    One of the members of the GOP hit squad - who termed Anita Hill as "a little nutty, a little slutty" - David Brock, who now regrets being part of that smear campaign - a GOP group Kavanaugh himself later joined - predicts the Republicans will be kinder and gentler, but the result will be the same: 11 white males will side with Kavanaugh.

    Democrats should absolutely take a page out of the GOP play book and use this like an anvil in the elections, using the embarrassing footage of what Anita Hill had to go through from Hatch & Co, and then Hatch's new "she's a little confused" swipe on Ford (even though he's never met her), and say "Some things never change. It's your turn to make a difference. Vote!".
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    Democrats should absolutely take a page out of the GOP play book
    It's not a GOP play book. It's a politics play book, and both parties take pages out of it all the time. The democrats just took a page out of it by sitting on the accusation until late in the game. The GOP is currently more despicable because they are supporting Donald Trump, but both parties have always been willing to toss decency out if that can lead to political gain.

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    Brett Kavenaugh Supreme Court Nomination

    Sadly, whether he did it or not We the People decided long ago that such behavior is not a disqualifier to serve in public office. From the election of Trump to the continued support for Bill Clinton, both sides are hypocritical in their feigned and politically driven outrage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    I just don't know who to believe...

    Orrin Hatch: "The Democrats aren't playing fair" (This isn't a joke - Hatch is actually making this point). "Democrats are being increasingly transparent that their game plan was about delay all along". Right. Ford waited for just the right moment to weaponize her marriage counseling, knowing it would result in death threats and the Right Wing attack factory going after the wrong Christine Ford. That's completely believable.

    Steve Bannon: "The difference between us is our side goes for the head kill, while your side engages in pillow fights"

    Hatch is crying crocodile tears, appealing to the sense of decency Bannon alludes to, hoping all these soft-hearted Democratic voters have forgotten the hypocrisy-on-steroids Garland got, and especially the Anita Hill interrogation Hatch helped administer.

    One of the members of the GOP hit squad - who termed Anita Hill as "a little nutty, a little slutty" - David Brock, who now regrets being part of that smear campaign - a GOP group Kavanaugh himself later joined - predicts the Republicans will be kinder and gentler, but the result will be the same: 11 white males will side with Kavanaugh.

    Democrats should absolutely take a page out of the GOP play book and use this like an anvil in the elections, using the embarrassing footage of what Anita Hill had to go through from Hatch & Co, and then Hatch's new "she's a little confused" swipe on Ford (even though he's never met her), and say "Some things never change. It's your turn to make a difference. Vote!".
    I think its difficult to make the Repubs the bad guys in this part of the story.

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    Brett Kavenaugh Supreme Court Nomination

    Congratulations, Sen. Feinstein: You've managed to make our politics even uglier

    The only thing I am sure of now is that Sen. Dianne Feinstein has behaved outrageously. Because no matter what you choose to believe, she waited too long to reveal the accusation.

    Feinstein knew about these allegations in July. She made no attempt to ask Kavanaugh about them, even in closed session. If she believed the allegations were true or credible, she should have acted on them. If she didn’t — as has been reported — going public as a desperate ploy to derail or delay his confirmation is an act of grotesque cynicism, particularly when she had no idea whether Kavanaugh’s accuser would come forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think its difficult to make the Repubs the bad guys in this part of the story.
    This is one of those "they started it" moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think its difficult to make the Repubs the bad guys in this part of the story.
    Not yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    Not yet.
    That's right, and that's the play. Republicans now have to choose between being bad guys or losing a spot on the supreme court (possibly forever).
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    Brett Kavenaugh Supreme Court Nomination

    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    Not yet.
    How would you question a witness like her? She will be prepared by some of the best legal minds on the left. In a different setting it would be easy: She will be talking about events that allegedly occurred 35 years ago. There are no eyewitnesses except the other two individuals allegedly involved, and both claim nothing of the kind ever happened. She never said anything about the event until 30 years later, when Kavanaugh was already in the public eye. I read somewhere that the therapist‘s written notes about that late disclosure are somewhat ambiguous. I also read that the witness is a Democrat activist. She wanted to be anonymous, but did not really act like a person who wanted anonymity. A recent refusal to testify this coming Monday has the effect of delaying the proceedings, which happens to align with the Democrats’ goals. So a competent questioner could have a field day with all those weaknesses in her story.

    And yet we are in the me-too era. Any aggressive questioning, or even gentle, but probing questioning, will be portrayed as anti-woman. The Democrats will have a field day with that, with the enthusiastic support of most of the major news media.

    The above are many reasons why this is such a cunning political move by the Democrats. Depressingly cynical too. Not to mention vicious and malicious in its effect on a man who appears, regardless of what he did when he was 17, to have lived a very good, positive and productive life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    How would you question a witness like her? She will be prepared by some of the best legal minds on the left. In a different setting it would be easy: She will be talking about events that allegedly occurred 35 years ago. There are no eyewitnesses except the other two individuals allegedly involved, and both claim nothing of the kind ever happened. She never said anything about the event until 30 years later, when Kavanaugh was already in the public eye. I read somewhere that the therapist‘s written notes about that late disclosure are somewhat ambiguous. I also read that the witness is a Democrat activist. She wanted to be anonymous, but did not really act like a person who wanted anonymity. A recent refusal to testify this coming Monday has the effect of delaying the proceedings, which happens to align with the Democrats’ goals. So a competent questioner could have a field day with all those weaknesses in her story.

    And yet we are in the me-too era. Any aggressive questioning, or even gentle, but probing questioning, will be portrayed as anti-woman. The Democrats will have a field day with that, with the enthusiastic support of most of the major news media.

    The above are many reasons why this is such a cunning political move by the Democrats. Depressingly cynical too. Not to mention vicious and malicious in its effect on a man who appears, regardless of what he did when he was 17, to have lived a very good, positive and productive life.
    I would let Ford tell her story, clarify and ask questions about things that don't seem to ring true (as if you were assuming she is honest.) Let Kavanaugh tell his side, which presumably is that nothing like that even remotely happened. I hadn't heard anything about another witness, but I'd be more gently aggressive with her. Maybe Kavanaugh can have witnesses of his own, although that might be hard to do. If the witness says Ford described what happened at that time, or before Kavanaugh became a public figure, then Kavanaugh should rightly be in trouble. There is nothing that says they can't extend hearings after Monday to look behind the testimony. The committee needs to be sure that Kavanaugh gets a full hearing on the issue.
    Don't forget, the Republicans rushed this thing and precluded the chance to review a lot of documents. Now they need to take the time to do it right.
    If all the complaints are about Republicans not being able to rush this, oh well.

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    With three of the five people involved in this saying it didn't happen, and the fourth apparently not responding I don't know how you resolve this or how further investigation can solve it. With it being a "he said, she said" situation and only one of the five people making that claim I don't know how you decide against Kavanaugh either.

    And I'm sympathetic to that sort of situation. In college three guys in a car ran a red light and hit me. There were no other witnesses, and when the police arrived and I told him my story and then he heard their story he said, "Well three people are saying YOU ran the red light, so you get the ticket..."

    At this point it is simply a circus.

    I saw an extended news piece on a woman who went to the same school at a different time, didn't know either party but claimed she "remembered her" saying that she stuff like happened at that school all the time. The snippets leading to the story were of her saying, "I believe Christine..." and "... he absolutely did this..."

    That's nice, but her opinion on the matter is about as valid as mine, and every high school had "stuff like this happen all the time". In fact there are a few classic John Hughes teen movies about the subject.

    That's not to say it is okay or to be dismissive of it, but that is not evidence and shouldn't be presented as such.

    I haven't been able to find anything but did she tell anyone about it at the time or even subsequent years before this? Family, a close friend, etc?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    I would let Ford tell her story, clarify and ask questions about things that don't seem to ring true (as if you were assuming she is honest.) Let Kavanaugh tell his side, which presumably is that nothing like that even remotely happened. I hadn't heard anything about another witness, but I'd be more gently aggressive with her. Maybe Kavanaugh can have witnesses of his own, although that might be hard to do. If the witness says Ford described what happened at that time, or before Kavanaugh became a public figure, then Kavanaugh should rightly be in trouble. There is nothing that says they can't extend hearings after Monday to look behind the testimony. The committee needs to be sure that Kavanaugh gets a full hearing on the issue.
    Don't forget, the Republicans rushed this thing and precluded the chance to review a lot of documents. Now they need to take the time to do it right.
    If all the complaints are about Republicans not being able to rush this, oh well.
    If you keep this up you’re buying lunch next time at an expensive restaurant.


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    This really needs to stop.


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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    This really needs to stop.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...th-will-emerge
    “Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman

    "You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb

    "Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.

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