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    Sam the Sheepdog LA Ute's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I'm not sure this is true. Without the college, a democrat would fight for votes in Utah. A republican would definitely fight for votes in California. With the college, it's a pure waste of time, money, and energy.

    I suppose the main purpose of the college now is to separate the states into voting blocks. Without it, you wouldn't think of campaigning in Utah or California at all. You'd think of campaigning in America. You might target the west or target Hispanics or target people who love football or whatever. But there'd be no point in targeting a specific state.
    Federalism. The states matter. Just how much they matter has been a subject of hot debate since 1787.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Federalism. The states matter. Just how much they matter has been a subject of hot debate since 1787.
    Sure, I'm all for a Senate and a House. States matter. That's a compromise that makes sense.

    The electoral college may have started as some kind of compromise, but it is no longer serving that purpose. Or, if it is, no one is able to articulate what it is a compromise between.

    Fortunately, the popular vote and the college almost always align. It's unfortunate that we have the person we do as president, but the college is only partially responsible for that.

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    Pretty decent summary here:

    The Electoral College: Top 3 Pros and Cons

    Here's a pro-Electoral College video:



    Ane here's a "con" video, but I couldn't embed it because I reached the limit of my free visits to the LA Times:

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...216-story.html

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    It is hard to imagine the founding fathers doing a similar system with the tech we have today.

    If we really wanted people to get out and vote we'd follow the science that Vegas has figured out long ago and give the people the belief they have a fighting chance with their vote. That only comes with a straight popular vote. Want proof? Voter turnout in Utah is among the worst in the nation. It isn't because you have people who aren't civically responsible or patriotic people (in fact quite the opposite) but because whether you are a Republican or a Democrat you pretty much know how the elections are going to go national and locally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Pretty decent summary here:

    The Electoral College: Top 3 Pros and Cons

    Here's a pro-Electoral College video:



    Ane here's a "con" video, but I couldn't embed it because I reached the limit of my free visits to the LA Times:

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...216-story.html
    I watched 1 minute of that video and it is 1 minute of my life that I want back. It is an anti-NPV (what's that?) commercial. I am not a part of the "secretive, backroom" NPV movement. I just think the electoral college is bad, regardless of if you value states' rights, whether you think corn-states should have more votes than porn-states (tm pending), or whatever.

    Unless you vote in Ohio or Florida, the electoral college hurts our democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Federalism. The states matter. Just how much they matter has been a subject of hot debate since 1787.
    Isn't that the real question now? How important should states as units be on the national level? The world is much different than it was in the late 1700's. Does the importance of states mean you have 50 elite power groups with a disproportionate say on a national level when we are now so interconnected? If you combined California, New York, Texas, Florida and Illinois, I bet you'd have a very diverse group that fairly represented the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I watched 1 minute of that video and it is 1 minute of my life that I want back. It is an anti-NPV (what's that?) commercial. I am not a part of the "secretive, backroom" NPV movement. I just think the electoral college is bad, regardless of if you value states' rights, whether you think corn-states should have more votes than porn-states (tm pending), or whatever.

    Unless you vote in Ohio or Florida, the electoral college hurts our democracy.
    You should have watched the second video too. I was just trying to show both sides.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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