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    I'm gonna give it a little time before I dig into this one, but I think it is totally fair to take a look at the other QBs during the bye week. I know the o-line has had problems, I know the WRs have dropped the ball, but at the end of the game it became a safety issue for the WRs with where Tyler was placing the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I'm gonna give it a little time before I dig into this one, but I think it is totally fair to take a look at the other QBs during the bye week. I know the o-line has had problems, I know the WRs have dropped the ball, but at the end of the game it became a safety issue for the WRs with where Tyler was placing the ball.
    The good news is that UW is as good as any defense we'll see this season.

    Covey taking hard hits is always going to be a thing. He's small, and he doesn't shy away from contact.

    The drops were huge, as always.

    It sure seemed like the offense quit after the holding penalty. I didn't like the body language of anyone from that point on.

    I imagine there will be a lot of calls for Tuttle. If we switch, I guess now is the time, since we have a bye and then play a normal defense instead of a great one. If we do stay with Huntley, I hope we really think about the called QB runs. I don't know if we need to tweak something or just ditch them altogether, but they haven't been effective through three games.

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    I am baffled about what Troy Taylor is doing? We had one drive where Moss got the ball, that was the one drive where we scored. UW has a great secondary, why were constantly throwing the ball?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    I am baffled about what Troy Taylor is doing? We had one drive where Moss got the ball, that was the one drive where we scored. UW has a great secondary, why were constantly throwing the ball?
    I think they put extra attention on the run game after that drive. That opened up a short pass game for us, but we fumbled it away on competed passes.

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    It’s too early to declare Tyler Huntley a failure and anticipate a transfer to a lower level to where he can be successful. But it’s not too late to see what we’ve got with Tuttle and Shelley. Quite frankly, if I were Kyle, I would literally list everyone offensive player on the next depth chart and throw up an open competition for the entire unit.

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    I've got a novel idea. We should give the ball to our best player more than 12 times. I know it sounds crazy
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  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    issue for the WRs with where Tyler was placing the ball.
    Is the idea that Huntley is throwing it to late?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    I've got a novel idea. We should give the ball to our best player more than 12 times. I know it sounds crazy
    He was 6-35 on the touchdown drive, 7-32 the rest of the way. Sure seems like more carries were needed. I don't know how much his injury played a role.

  9. #39
    On TV, did replay show Ty Jones in bounds? On the scoreboard it sure looked like his knee was out. I was shocked they overturned.

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    On TV, did replay show Ty Jones in bounds? On the scoreboard it sure looked like his knee was out. I was shocked they overturned.
    Yes, it was clear.

  11. #41
    I have tried to figure out our offensive identity for 16 games now and I still have no clue. I told my wife as we walked to our car after the game that I thought that was the biggest problem. The first interview we hear when arriving at our car was Covey. When asked what he thought the problem was, he said that the offense has no identity. I believe that is the biggest problem facing the offense right now. We as fans don't know what the identity is and it sounds like the players don't either. The lack of identity causes us to flounder. On the second to last possession of the first half, we had 2nd and 2 at mid-field after an 8 yard run on first down. Instead of running the ball, we throw a 10 yard out to the sidelines that is overthrown, leaving us in 3rd and 2. We then take our best option and line him up as far away from the ball as possible and try a QB run up the middle that gets stuffed. Lack of an identity.

    There are a lot of failures in execution that hurt this offense. Dropped passes and inconsistency at OL and QB. However, the biggest problem, IMO, is lack of identity, and nothing will get better until the coaches figure out what we want to be.

  12. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I have tried to figure out our offensive identity for 16 games now and I still have no clue. I told my wife as we walked to our car after the game that I thought that was the biggest problem. The first interview we hear when arriving at our car was Covey. When asked what he thought the problem was, he said that the offense has no identity. I believe that is the biggest problem facing the offense right now. We as fans don't know what the identity is and it sounds like the players don't either. The lack of identity causes us to flounder. On the second to last possession of the first half, we had 2nd and 2 at mid-field after an 8 yard run on first down. Instead of running the ball, we throw a 10 yard out to the sidelines that is overthrown, leaving us in 3rd and 2. We then take our best option and line him up as far away from the ball as possible and try a QB run up the middle that gets stuffed. Lack of an identity.

    There are a lot of failures in execution that hurt this offense. Dropped passes and inconsistency at OL and QB. However, the biggest problem, IMO, is lack of identity, and nothing will get better until the coaches figure out what we want to be.
    100% agree with this. As I walked to my car last night after the game, this is all I could talk about with a friend of mine that came to the game with me. Utah has zero identity on offense. No idea what Troy's philosophy is and until then, we will be a bad offensive team like we are. I think as a fan, last night was the most angry I have ever been after a loss.

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    When Covey says we have no identity, is he taking a shot at Taylor?

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    I love the defense. I love Covey. I like Moss -- maybe more than Taylor does. Huntley might get Covey killed. Outside of Covey and Moss, the offense has got serious issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lunch View Post
    100% agree with this. As I walked to my car last night after the game, this is all I could talk about with a friend of mine that came to the game with me. Utah has zero identity on offense. No idea what Troy's philosophy is and until then, we will be a bad offensive team like we are. I think as a fan, last night was the most angry I have ever been after a loss.
    When have we ever had an offensive identity under Whitt? Maybe 2008. Love him or hate him, that’s Kyle’s coaching style. Few propositions in life are undeniable, but that one is.

    I fear that part of the problem may be that Taylor has so very little experience running a D1 offense. This is not a new problem to those of us who’ve been following Utah football for the last 7 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    When have we ever had an offensive identity under Whitt? Maybe 2008. Love him or hate him, that’s Kyle’s coaching style. Few propositions in life are undeniable, but that one is.

    I fear that part of the problem may be that Taylor has so very little experience running a D1 offense. This is not a new problem to those of us who’ve been following Utah football for the last 7 years.


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    Bring back Brian Johnson!

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    Which one of you namby pambies deleted my posts? They were funny, and at a time like this all you can do is laugh.

    They need to demote the OC, bench Huntley and commit to running the ball. And for heavens sake stop targeting Covey so much. One of these times he's not going to get up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Which one of you namby pambies deleted my posts? They were funny, and at a time like this all you can do is laugh.

    They need to demote the OC, bench Huntley and commit to running the ball. And for heavens sake stop targeting Covey so much. One of these times he's not going to get up.
    5-win ceiling.

  19. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    5-win ceiling.
    This is a Utah thread so I will only indulge for a moment: After the way they played last year, and the lack of depth they have, five wins seemed likely. I am happy to be wrong.

    Now let's talk the Utes: they are still going to win the south and will likely get another shot at Washington. So, ya'll better nut up and have a little faith that Whittingham gets this thing fixed.
    Last edited by tooblue; 09-16-2018 at 12:50 PM.

  20. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by USS Utah View Post
    Huntley might get Covey killed.
    I wish they hadn't said this last night - now everyone is going to believe/repeat it. If someone gets Covey killed playing football, it will be Covey. He's small, and he's fearless.

    Huntley isn't calling the plays. Pass routes are run. If there's a window, the throw is made. Maybe, if he were better, Huntley could find openings earlier to give WRs more cushion. Part of that is the route running, and part is the play calling. To say Huntley is dangerous to our WRs is a little over the top. Hits happen - they happen a lot against UW.

  21. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I have tried to figure out our offensive identity for 16 games now and I still have no clue. I told my wife as we walked to our car after the game that I thought that was the biggest problem. The first interview we hear when arriving at our car was Covey. When asked what he thought the problem was, he said that the offense has no identity. I believe that is the biggest problem facing the offense right now. We as fans don't know what the identity is and it sounds like the players don't either. The lack of identity causes us to flounder. On the second to last possession of the first half, we had 2nd and 2 at mid-field after an 8 yard run on first down. Instead of running the ball, we throw a 10 yard out to the sidelines that is overthrown, leaving us in 3rd and 2. We then take our best option and line him up as far away from the ball as possible and try a QB run up the middle that gets stuffed. Lack of an identity.

    There are a lot of failures in execution that hurt this offense. Dropped passes and inconsistency at OL and QB. However, the biggest problem, IMO, is lack of identity, and nothing will get better until the coaches figure out what we want to be.
    One hard thing is that we're always frustratingly close. Even with the abysmal performance last night, we were close to having a coherent offense. Every loss is like this. We're always a call, a bounce, a drop, etc away from winning. If we were never close, it would be easy to say we'll scrap it all and start from scratch (like BYU under Detmer). The fact that it always feels like we are almost there makes it harder to know what to do.

    I do think we need to go downfield a few more times per game, we need to feed Moss more, and we need to either fix or scrap the option. One more thing - Huntley is average at best at pretty much everything except for throwing on the run. He's as good as anyone at throwing on the run. We need to get him moving more often. The perfect throw that was dropped had Huntley rolling right.

  22. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    When have we ever had an offensive identity under Whitt? Maybe 2008. Love him or hate him, that’s Kyle’s coaching style. Few propositions in life are undeniable, but that one is.

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    I understood our identity under Chow and ARod. Under Chow we had Jon Hayes at QB, John White at RB, a good OL and Shawn Asiata as a blocking fullback. We were a power run team that play actioned off the power run. Chow left and BJ became the OC. I think Brian was too young to be put into that position and never really had the opportunity to figure out what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it. He didn't have his own offensive playbook. He was borrowing things from Andy, Chow and ARod and trying to mix them altogether. Under ARod we had Travis at QB, a veteran OL and Joe Williams at RB. Travis was not a good passer, but he was the best we had. The offensive identity was hand the ball to Joe, mix in some QB run-option to take advantage of what Travis did well and throw when necessary. Now those identities had drawbacks and limitations. We were not explosive. We bogged down in the redzone. However, we put the players we had in the best possible position to win.

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    Here are a couple of insightful posts from a guy who goes by CityUte on UF.net:

    https://www.utefans.net/message.php?...message1923781

    https://www.utefans.net/message.php?...message1923777

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    insightful posts
    Insightful? The classic "Whittingham hates offense" insight that lazy fans have been making for 10 years.

  25. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Here are a couple of insightful posts from a guy who goes by CityUte on UF.net:

    https://www.utefans.net/message.php?...message1923781

    https://www.utefans.net/message.php?...message1923777

    "I have no trouble believing, and this is my suspicion, that there's just not a lot of day-to-day leadership alignment, no coherent chain of effort and accountability from Whit -> Troy -> assistants -> captains in a coherent, all-in together sort of way, because the HC doesn't care concretely, day-to-day, about offense, and this trickles downward, waterfall-style."

    The above quote is the gist of what he was saying. From my experience he both right and wrong.

    He is wrong in terms of day-to-day. The entire staff will meet together from 7:00 am - 9:00 am every morning to review what is going on. These are very detailed reviews. The offensive and defensive coaches will then go into their own meetings from 9:00 - 11:00. Whit would typically spend time with each group. With the offensive group, with one exception in the 7 years I was there, Whit did not come in saying you need to do this or you need to do that or you need to play this guy or you need to play that guy. He mostly wanted the coaches to identify what they perceived as the issues, good and bad, and outline what they were doing to address and correct them.

    He is right in the sense that unlike defensive identity, Whit does not have his own preferred offensive identity that he wants put in place. When Hackett asked Whit on the radio last night what he wants the offensive identity to be, he said: "be efficient, execute, move the chains and put points on the board. There are a 1,000 different ways to do that."


    However, even this lack of a specific identity, puts pressure on OC's to do things a certain way. With ARod, it caused him to be more conservative than he wanted to be. However, he believed that was the best way to win and we won 10 in 2015 and 9 in 2016. I believe we would have won more games a year ago if ARod had not been fired and Troy Williams had been our QB. But, I admit to my own bias.

    I was mad at the ARod firing and skeptical of the Taylor hire from the get go, but I have tried to be fair to Taylor. Right now, I don't think he is putting the players we have in the best position to succeed. I am not advocating that Taylor be replaced. I think the revolving door at OC has been a huge problem. I hope they take this bye week and determine that that they are going to run Moss 20+ times a game (he is our best offensive weapon). Give Shyne a couple of series each half. He can be productive. Run the QB run option 5 or 6 times a game. Get Huntley outside the pocket to pass (I think he is better throwing on the run than in the pocket).

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I was mad at the ARod firing and skeptical of the Taylor hire from the get go, but I have tried to be fair to Taylor. Right now, I don't think he is putting the players we have in the best position to succeed. I am not advocating that Taylor be replaced. I think the revolving door at OC has been a huge problem. I hope they take this bye week and determine that that they are going to run Moss 20+ times a game (he is our best offensive weapon). Give Shyne a couple of series each half. He can be productive. Run the QB run option 5 or 6 times a game. Get Huntley outside the pocket to pass (I think he is better throwing on the run than in the pocket).
    Did I write this? This is exactly what I think, except for the 5-6 QB run options per game.

    Two years ago, the popular complaint was that Whittingham was too controlling of the offense. Now, it appears, the complaint is that he's too hands off.

  27. #57
    Sancho,
    The perfect throw that was dropped you are referring I too - I think - was the fourth and one from the two-yard-line. Huntley threw a fastball at the tight end that should have been a touch pass. It was an awful pass that had very little chance at being caught. Contrast it with the same play, I think in the first quarter that went for a first down. Huntley threw that pass much softer. That was one drop that is 99% on the quarterback.

    Huntley was not good last night. I agree with your thoughts that we're a play or two away. I would say that Huntley's very much a reason why. Yes, key drops, but he threw several very poor passes last night. None worse than the interception to finish the half. He keyed on his receiver immediately and threw into double coverage. When he threw the ball the receiver had already become the defender. The cornerback basically ran the route.

    I don't think it's time to make a change but I'm worried. We need Ty to throw better and we need receivers to catch the ball. This offense doesn't need to be great this year but they need to be good. With a defense that may be great we just need good on offense and we'll win the south and hopefully see Washington again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utebiquitous View Post
    It was an awful pass that had very little chance at being caught.
    I agree with everything else you wrote, but this just isn't true. That pass is caught almost every time. It was just a drop. I remember thinking as I watched "Oh no, he threw it too hard!" Then, on replay, I saw that he actually placed it perfectly without putting too much on it.

    The interception was truly awful. Cost us a shot at a very long FG.

    Targeting remains one of the worst things college football has done in recent years. Such good intentions, and such a bad rule.
    Last edited by sancho; 09-16-2018 at 03:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Did I write this? This is exactly what I think, except for the 5-6 QB run options per game.

    Two years ago, the popular complaint was that Whittingham was too controlling of the offense. Now, it appears, the complaint is that he's too hands off.
    I would run the 5 or 6 QB options with Huntley, much as was done with Travis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I wish they hadn't said this last night - now everyone is going to believe/repeat it. If someone gets Covey killed playing football, it will be Covey. He's small, and he's fearless.

    Huntley isn't calling the plays. Pass routes are run. If there's a window, the throw is made. Maybe, if he were better, Huntley could find openings earlier to give WRs more cushion. Part of that is the route running, and part is the play calling. To say Huntley is dangerous to our WRs is a little over the top. Hits happen - they happen a lot against UW.
    I think it's called hyperbole for a reason.
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