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    The Larry Scott Thread

    It's time for a change. P12 Nets are still a million miles from being on DTV, and now Larry is waffling on the Gustin hit vs. the Wazzu QB. Instead of saying his original .02 was horribly misguided and ignorant, he's saying he was "misinterpreted."

    Short of a Gustin suspension, Larry and the P12 office are the only ones doing any misinterpreting. Michael Scott doesn't even pretend to be a commissioner -- under oath, he recently said that's a bit of a misnomer. Media executive is what he really is. Which of course, means he's got it good for the LA schools.

    Passing off the Gustin hit as a perfectly legal play is inexcusable. He's clearly not for the athlete's physical welfare. He needs to resign, but I'd be perfectly happy if the school presidents showed some backbone and fired his ass instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    It's time for a change. P12 Nets are still a million miles from being on DTV, and now Larry is waffling on the Gustin hit vs. the Wazzu QB. Instead of saying his original .02 was horribly misguided and ignorant, he's saying he was "misinterpreted."

    Short of a Gustin suspension, Larry and the P12 office are the only ones doing any misinterpreting. Michael Scott doesn't even pretend to be a commissioner -- under oath, he recently said that's a bit of a misnomer. Media executive is what he really is. Which of course, means he's got it good for the LA schools.

    Passing off the Gustin hit as a perfectly legal play is inexcusable. He's clearly not for the athlete's physical welfare. He needs to resign, but I'd be perfectly happy if the school presidents showed some backbone and fired his ass instead.
    I agree. I'm glad he was there when the decision to expand happened, but the PAC-12 is spinning its wheels now.

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    More and more dreadful news about Pac-12 officiating from Yahoo ... People not qualified to make judgment calls on replay, are actually making judgment calls on replay!

    https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sport...040318946.html

    Wilner's reaction to it all ...

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/...ating-ka-boom/

    Ute fans deserve to hear President Watkins' .02 on the state of Pac-12 leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    More and more dreadful news about Pac-12 officiating from Yahoo ... People not qualified to make judgment calls on replay, are actually making judgment calls on replay!

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/235445/...y-divided.aspx

    Wilner's reaction to it all ...

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/...ating-ka-boom/

    Ute fans deserve to hear President Watkins' .02 on the state of Pac-12 leadership.
    The first link is incorrect, it goes to an article on abortion. Here is the correct link: https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sport...040318946.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    The first link is incorrect, it goes to an article on abortion. Here is the correct link: https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sport...040318946.html
    Also fixed on my end to avoid any further embarrassment.

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    Larry has been terrible at managing the publicity around these incidents. It’s like he is afraid to admit that mistakes have been made. Sometimes it’s best to admit mistakes, and commit to learn from them and do better going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    More and more dreadful news about Pac-12 officiating from Yahoo ... People not qualified to make judgment calls on replay, are actually making judgment calls on replay!

    https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sport...040318946.html

    Wilner's reaction to it all ...

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/...ating-ka-boom/

    Ute fans deserve to hear President Watkins' .02 on the state of Pac-12 leadership.
    I've been in Larry Scott's corner for the most part, but how does this even happen? That is a horribly bad look for the conference!

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...011-story.html
    Last edited by Scorcho; 10-11-2018 at 01:10 PM.

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    Sure calls into question the targeting calls in the Washington game. Based on the calls and no calls this year there seems to be different standards depending on a caste system. I hate to get into the conspiracy crowd and I'm not saying Washington should have been called for targeting but both of the calls in that game - on Blair and Fotu - were questionable. Just on technical merits there was helmet-to-helmet contact on the Blair hit but I didn't think there was intent to injure or use the helmet to make the tackle on the play. I'm still mystified by the Fotu call. I just don't see it - let alone the poor judgement by the official flagging it for unnecessary roughness.

    The league needs to have a standard that applies equally to all teams. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out. All fans may not agree with it but as long as the officials are fairly applying it the egregious mistakes will diminish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utebiquitous View Post
    Sure calls into question the targeting calls in the Washington game. Based on the calls and no calls this year there seems to be different standards depending on a caste system. I hate to get into the conspiracy crowd and I'm not saying Washington should have been called for targeting but both of the calls in that game - on Blair and Fotu - were questionable. Just on technical merits there was helmet-to-helmet contact on the Blair hit but I didn't think there was intent to injure or use the helmet to make the tackle on the play. I'm still mystified by the Fotu call. I just don't see it - let alone the poor judgement by the official flagging it for unnecessary roughness.

    The league needs to have a standard that applies equally to all teams. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out. All fans may not agree with it but as long as the officials are fairly applying it the egregious mistakes will diminish.
    I had the same initial thought about a caste system, but it's pretty impossible to argue that there's a caste system that favors WSU over USC. That's the most confusing part of all of this.

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    To me this looks devastating. How did Woody Dixon keep his job? Read the whole thing.

    Former Pac-12 football officials offer sharp rebuke of conference leadership and policies in letter to commissioner Larry Scott

    Officiating program called a “laughing stock” within the Power Five

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03/21/letter-58/

    Woody Dixon at work:


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    The Larry Scott Thread

    The guy who interfered is the PAC-12’s general counsel and, interestingly, director of business affairs. Really? In both of those roles, his job is to protect the interests of the conference. Of course, being both an organization’s lawyer and its director of business affairs is an inherently conflicted position anyway. Bottom line: It is a scandal that he had anything to say about a referee‘s call on the playing field. I don’t know if he needs to go, but someone does. Otherwise, the conference‘s officiating will always be suspect. It will be suspect for a long time anyway, at least as long as Larry Scott is the head guy.

    I think Larry‘s shelf life has expired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post

    I think Larry‘s shelf life has expired.
    IIRC, Larry was hired to expand the conference and negotiate the TV deal, b/c of his media experience. Unless he is here to negotiate the next tv deal 5 years from now; I think you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    IIRC, Larry was hired to expand the conference and negotiate the TV deal, b/c of his media experience. Unless he is here to negotiate the next tv deal 5 years from now; I think you are right.
    And given it’s 2018 and the Pac-12 network has never functioned as promised, do we really want Larry Scott involved?

    His media experience hasn’t resulted in much the last few years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Yup, and obviously the guy in the booth.

    Also, the ref who refused to stand up to the guy in the booth needs to go.
    Disagree. He documented what was going on, and probably provided the source material for the Yahoo story that put this out in the open.

    As fans, we should want the guy fired — but so he can be free to spill whatever beans there are about this kind of thing and how often it’s happened in the past. The league obviously doesn’t want that, so he’ll stay.

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    This conference needs new leadership. Larry Scott really needs to go.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...n_john_canzano

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    Quote Originally Posted by snafu View Post
    This conference needs new leadership. Larry Scott really needs to go.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...n_john_canzano
    That is a very good read and should be an interesting series of articles. I have wondered how valuable owning the rights to PAC12 games would actually be as most fans don’t rewatch games. It is not like a sitcom that goes into syndication and people watch over and over. Sports are a live event, once you know the outcome it loses 99% of its value in my mind.

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    I don’t see that anyone else has posted this yet. It’s a fascinating article, and I have no idea why this Dixon guy has still not been fired.

    A look inside the beleaguered Pac-12 instant-replay command center, where Woodie Dixon is still a central figure

    https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...ficiating.html

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    Turns out that Larry Scott is just trying to live out the life of Michael Scott. This video is perfectly embarrassing.

    https://youtu.be/JtB9SvbPx44


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    LOL. The pac-12 Network had it pulled off of YouTube due to “copyright claim.” What a bunch of weenies.


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    I think it is time for fans to start pressuring University presidents to force Scott and Dixon to resign. These articles are damning coming out on him.

    Listening to Greg Sankey (SEC commissioner) on Dan Patrick yesterday and thinking of how far they outperform the PAC12 on a significantly lower salary and overhead made me bristle. Also, listening to Sankey defend not expanding to an 8 team playoff convinced me more than ever it needs to be done. They benefit from insular schedules and controlling two of those spots each year. It won't be so beneficial when other conferences start knocking them off here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    Also, listening to Sankey defend not expanding to an 8 team playoff convinced me more than ever it needs to be done. They benefit from insular schedules and controlling two of those spots each year. It won't be so beneficial when other conferences start knocking them off here and there.
    Agree 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damage U View Post
    Larry can run but he can't hide.

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    What an absolute grifter. I wonder whether USC is thoroughly embarrassed to have him as a grad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    What an absolute grifter. I wonder whether USC is thoroughly embarrassed to have him as a grad?
    USC still has to claim OJ. Let's not get carried away here ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    What an absolute grifter. I wonder whether USC is thoroughly embarrassed to have him as a grad?
    Wow. For someone who understands how to politic, that was exceptionally tone deaf.

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    https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/20...mpression=true

    The presidents need to do something


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    It's time. So much of this would have been so easy. Just move the HQ to Vegas or somewhere else that is cheap. Make big changes in officials and official oversight. Fire the guy who made the replay call in the booth. Easy PR moves that would have won Larry some cred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/20...mpression=true

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    Agreed. Ridiculous, he needs to go.

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    Blaming Larry Scott for the Pac 12's problems is silly. This is like saying we won the Sugar Bowl because of Chris Hill. Blame the coaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Blaming Larry Scott for the Pac 12's problems is silly. This is like saying we won the Sugar Bowl because of Chris Hill. Blame the coaches.
    Just because he has very little to do with the on-field results doesn't mean that he's doing well at his job.

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