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    Looking into the Cristobal - Utah vs. Oregon 2018

    Despite what Twitter might tell you, the Utes have three more games left this season, and are still very much alive in the South race.

    I don't have any reason to believe that this team is going to just lay down. I don't think any one on our defense feels that way, and Zach Moss is a guy who runs with a purpose, typically just falling forward for 3-4 yards. I think we're about to get a glimpse into what kind of OC we really have, having to prepare for a different QB's strengths, etc., and we will get to see Shelly playing with a week to prepare as the starter.

    As I look into my Cristobal (see what I did there?) I foresee a Utes victory!
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    Utes still favored in this one. That gives me some hope, but after what Herbert did to UCLA on Saturday and what Wilkins did to Utah, I'm not optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Utes still favored in this one. That gives me some hope, but after what Herbert did to UCLA on Saturday and what Wilkins did to Utah, I'm not optimistic.
    I thought ASU's oline killed our pass rush. We never put any pressure on Wilkens or disrupted his rhythm. He picked us apart. Oregon's o line supposedly is a lot worse, which might make all the difference. Hopefully, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I thought ASU's oline killed our pass rush. We never put any pressure on Wilkens or disrupted his rhythm. He picked us apart.
    Good point. What was up with that? Was our d-line exposed, or was something else going on?

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    Oregon announced today that their star LB Kaulana Apelu is out for the season with a lower leg injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I thought ASU's oline killed our pass rush. We never put any pressure on Wilkens or disrupted his rhythm. He picked us apart. Oregon's o line supposedly is a lot worse, which might make all the difference. Hopefully, anyway.
    We put pressure on him once that I saw. Tha play about a minute before the half. Third and six, we nearly sacked him and he zipped through the middle 16 yards to our 42. That was the ballgame.
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    Oregon's O line has been spotty this year, and their starting Center is out. That will help things a bit.

    But this is a team that beat the Huskies in Seattle. Very dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    Oregon's O line has been spotty this year, and their starting Center is out. That will help things a bit.

    But this is a team that beat the Huskies in Seattle. Very dangerous.
    This team is very similar to ASU. Some bad loses but plenty of athleticism, a good QB and a good receiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    This is the worst thing I've ever seen. My confidence level for the game just plummeted.

    Wow, not a fan of this motif.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    Wow, not a fan of this motif.
    Better than last year's hands helmets but that's a very low bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Better than last year's hands helmets but that's a very low bar.
    This is the one designed by the players right?
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Moss out for Saturday and maybe the season.

    Utah running back Zack Moss injured his knee in practice Wednesday and will miss Saturday’s game vs. Oregon and likely the rest of the season, The Salt Lake Tribune has learned.
    https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-u...ing-back-zack/

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Moss out for Saturday and maybe the season.



    https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-u...ing-back-zack/

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    Whoever hurt his knee should lose their scholarship.

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    We will likely see TJ Greene and Devin Brumfield at RB. Good thing we have excellent depth at RB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    We will likely see TJ Greene and Devin Brumfield at RB. Good thing we have excellent depth at RB.
    And Shyne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    And Shyne.
    Bump.
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    Shelley with 18 of 31 (51%) for 262 yards. No passing TD’s or interceptions. Not great, but also not bad for his first start.

    Shyne with 174 yards on 26 carries (6.7 yards per carry). No fumbles or injury, which is what he has been mostly known for.

    Pretty good week for the next guys up.
    Last edited by chrisrenrut; 11-10-2018 at 07:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    Shelley with 18 of 31 (51%) for 262 yards. No passing TD’s or interceptions. Not great, but also not bad for his first start.

    Shyne with 174 yards on 26 carries (6.7 yards per carry). No fumbles or injury, which is what he has been mostly known for.

    Pretty good week for the next guys up.
    8.5 YPA is a number you'd take from a multi-year starter, and says a lot more about his impact than a 51-percent completion rate (an overrated statistic anyway). Half of our 24 first downs came via the pass. We played Oregon to a draw at the QB position, which was something nobody expected. Shelley was outstanding for a guy making his first start.

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    Whitt said in the Post game, Moss hurt his knee climbing into bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    Whitt said in the Post game, Moss hurt his knee climbing into bed
    It certainly was an older injury, but that was the moment it displaced and locked up his knee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    It certainly was an older injury, but that was the moment it displaced and locked up his knee.
    May be a discoid meniscus - congenital issue where the meniscus is abnormally thick. May have already had a partial tear that became complete and then displaced into the knee. He has limped off the field a few times this year. Wonder if it is related
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    They said on the PAC-12 network before the game that Moss hurt his knee climbing into bed. Apparently a pre-existing condition that could have happened at any time? Any docs here who could provide insight on what that might be?


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    I was impressed all game long with Shelley's poise and confidence. There's hope!

    Early stats breakdown from the offiicial Utah site:

    Utah raises its record against Oregon to 10-22 all-time and 2-4 since joining the Pac-12.

    Utah held Oregon to four yards of total offense in the first quarter.

    Utah's 16-play scoring drive in the second quarter (culminating in a 20-yard field goal by Matt Gay) was Utah's longest scoring drive of the year by number of plays.

    Utah's 12 tackles for loss tied the Utes season high (12 vs. Weber State).

    Matt Gay set a school record for field goals made in a game with a 6-for-6 performance, passing the previous record of five set by Joe Phillips vs. BYU in 2009. He also tied the school record for points in a game by a kicker with Joe Phillips who had 20 against Iowa State in 2009. It was the second time this season he has made at least four field goals in a game (4-for-4 vs. Stanford) and the fourth time in his career. Gay had a season-long 55-yard field goal, his sixth career 50+ field goal (first this season), which increases his school record in the category. Gay has 18-straight field goals, tying Joe Phillips (2009-10) for the school record.

    In his first career start at quarterback, Jason Shelley threw for 262 yards passing (18-of-31, 0 TD, 0 INT). He also had 22 yards rushing with two rushing touchdowns, the first scores of his career.

    Armand Shyne led Utah in rushing with a career-high 174 yards on 26 carries, his second career (first this season) 100-yard rushing game (101 vs. Arizona, 2016, which was also his last career start before today). He had two 40+ rushes, including a career-long 42-yard rush in the first quarter for a career long and the third-longest rush on the team this year.

    Cole Fotheringham led Utah with a career-high 76 yards receiving on five catches, including a career-long 40-yard catch.

    Chase Hansen had 13 tackles, his fourth double-figure tackle game of the season and sixth of his career. His 3.5 tackles for loss (one sack) was a career high, bringing his season total to 19, which is the fourth-most in a season at Utah.

    Cody Barton had 11 tackles, his fourth double-figure tackle game this season (seventh career). His three TFL (one sack) tied his career high. He also had 3.0 TFL against Arizona State in 2016.

    Mitch Wishnowsky had a career-long 68-yard punt in the third quarter. His previous career long was 66 yards, done in the first game of his career in 2016. Wishnowsky's four punts were all over 50 yards (57.2 average), bringing his season total to 16 and his career total to 58 (second all-time at Utah).

    Attendance was 46,275, the 13th-largest crowd in Utah history and the 56th-straight sellout at Rice-Eccles Stadium since the 2010 season opener. It is the 52nd standing-room only crowd in that streak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    How bout the TEs?

    That's our 2nd blocked punt of the season. Better take a look at that before there's a third time.
    Mitch just held the ball too long.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    Mitch just held the ball too long.


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    And Nick Ford missed his block. Correctable error for the true freshman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    Shyne with 174 yards on 26 carries (6.7 yards per carry). No fumbles or injury, which is what he has been mostly known for.
    I was pretty surprised when they announced Shyne’s stats at the end of the game. I know he had the two long runs but the game just didn’t feel like 175 yards. I’m also surprised that we didn’t see more of TJ Green. I think he only had one run that was up the middle.

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    And Nick Ford missed his block. Correctable error for the redshirt freshman.
    FIFY


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    We need to figure out how to pressure Herbert. With enough time he picks us apart.

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    Fricking taylor... run the damn ball!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I guess. Most of our runs this game have gone for nothing. But Shyne has busted a couple. We ran it at least once on each of our 3 and outs in the 3rd.
    We ran the ball 3 times total in 3rd quarter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    We ran the ball 3 times total in 3rd quarter
    Another drive where had we run on 2nd and 6 we'd still be going
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