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  1. #91
    I wish some Ute fans would learn that you canít give up on this team (not specific to any poster here).

    Six times this year, we have started out behind at the end of the first quarter, and come back to win (including 14-0 to USC).

    We lost our first two PAC-12 games, and fought back to finish 6-3.

    We lost an alomost must-win game at ASU for the South division title, and lost our starting QB and RB, and the. Won our last two games to put ourselves in position to win the south.

    So many fans seem to want to throw in the towel, fire someone or everyone,

    Observant fans this season should have still had some faith when we were down 20-0 at half, or 27-7 at the end of the 3rd quarter. I admit, my faith was tested in the third when our all-everything punter shanked a punt, and then our defense let BYU score a touchdown. But as long as there is time left, donít turn off the tv on this team. They have fight in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    But as long as there is time left, donít turn off the tv on this team. They have fight in them.
    They proved that last night, in a way that far exceeded any prior comeback theyíd made. This game became one for the ages.

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    Iíve watched the replay of Shelleyís game-clinching TD run 10 times now and itís amazing how well he sold that fake handoff. Heís a gamer, and weíll be watching that play for years to come in rivalry game classic footage.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Iíve watched the replay of Shelleyís game-clinching TD run 10 times now and itís amazing how well he sold that fake handoff. Heís a gamer, and weíll be watching that play for years to come in rivalry game classic footage.
    It was an awesome fake.

    He said on the post game he never planned on keeping it, but Kaufusi crashing so hard forced him to keep it.

    (Interesting side note, the D-News article about the game says Kaufusi was injured in the third quarter and never returned, hurting BYUís chances.....)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    It was an awesome fake.

    He said on the post game he never planned on keeping it, but Kaufusi crashing so hard forced him to keep it.

    (Interesting side note, the D-News article about the game says Kaufusi was injured in the third quarter and never returned, hurting BYUís chances.....)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Two Kaufusi
    #90 Kaufusi went our for a few plays (he walked off the field unassisted) but he came back shortly after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Two Kaufusi
    Yes....and they specifically said both never returned.

    Corbin(#90) is who Crashed hard on Shyne on the fake on Shelleyís TD run


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    #90 Kaufusi went our for a few plays (he walked off the field unassisted) but he came back shortly after.
    Crazy game. Kudos to the byu for playing hard. The cougs kicked Utah's butt for most of the game.

    I wouldn't have minded a close or respectable loss all that much last night. Sometimes teams lose.
    But I was sick to my stomach at watching the Utes get blown out at home.

    It's almost like Whittingham et al. sat around saying,

    "You know, we've beat the byu in so many different and creative ways. We've won in Las Vegas (2015); we've won by blocking a last-second FG (2010); we've blown them out (2011); we've watched them miss a last-second FG after our fans charged the field (2012); we've bored everyone to death (2017). What can we do this year?

    "I know: Let's try the Rope-A-Dope. Let the byu think they have it in the bag and then we turn it on in the 4th quarter!"
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  9. #99
    The inconsistency in reffing is maddening. After watching a bit of SEC, Big 10, MWC, and Big 12 games, I believe the refs last night were more in line with the general consensus of officiating philosophy.

    There were a number of plays where PAC-12 refs would have tossed the player. The obvious led-with-the-head shot that our receiver (Dixon?) took to the head was blatantly missed, but there were a number of plays on both teams where the outcome would have been totally different with our PAC refs. (Anae punching at the ball in Wilson's hands after the play, Jaylon Johnson trash talking the byu-P receiver on that last 3rd-down stop - both would have been flagged)

    It seemed to take nearly a half a game for our guys to adapt to what gets called and what doesn't, and I hope we don't get screwed in the game next week because of it.

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    Sitake tried to use the patented whittingham get a lead, run the ball on 3rd and long and let your defense win. He was 17-1 while leading st the start of the 4th quarter
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Take a deep breath, raise your eyes over the edge of your foxhole, and look at the rest of the posts in this thread. It looked horrible at the end of the first half. No one here was mad about it. The fans in the stadium (including me) just sat there stunned. It was simply the worst half of football these Utes have played, by far, since I donít know when. It was an unfolding nightmare. I was deliriously happy when the Utes made a turnaround for the ages and the vast talent differential between the two teams manifested itself. Iím really proud of these Utes. As I said, I love this team. Theyíve shown themselves to be gamers.

    Zach Wilson is amazing and will be a problem for Utah for the next few years. His elusiveness was driving me crazy. Your Zach fanhood is 100% justified. But this isnít war, itís just football, and weíre all just fans of the U. No one here is depending on anyone else to save his life. Chill, be happy, and enjoy a great Utah win against our arch rival ó who came ready to play, and did play with great heart.
    I love you, you know that. I love AJ too.

    You have been a Ute fan long enough that you should know enough to stick with Kyle through thick and thin. Heís a special coach and a perfect fit for Utah.
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    BYU was 98-1 in the last 99 games when they left by more than 14 points at the half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    Jaylon Johnson trash talking the byu-P receiver on that last 3rd-down stop - both would have been flagged)
    I was screaming at him to shut up. He just kept going.

  14. #104
    I love Seattle ute, laute, diehard, concerned, socalpat, the whole lot of you. Nothing but love today! Hell, I would love to embrace toolblue; that guy probably had to listen to the game on tape-delayed radio broadcast by Canuck announcers. He needs some love.

    And I should have given shyne props for that go-ahead touchdown. That was a man-run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    You have been a Ute fan long enough that you should know enough to stick with Kyle through thick and thin. Heís a special coach and a perfect fit for Utah.
    Iíve always thought that about Kyle. I simply began despairing that heíd ever be able to get over the hump. I hoped that he would but I didnít know. Now my despair is dissipating because of what heís done this year.

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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    ďTrue, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I was screaming at him to shut up. He just kept going.
    I was doing the same thing.

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    One thing i really liked last night. Mariner caught several big passes
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    Thoughts:

    I like Zach Wilson. The kid has moxie. I think part of his success is the lack of film on him. Teams may figure him out next year. Same with Shelly.

    This team reminds me of the 2008 team. They donít give up and just find a way to win. Shellyís demeanor reminds me of BJ in some ways. He never seems to get too high or low.

    Speaking of Shelly, this was fun. You can see
    the exact moment he fakes the soul out of the defender.




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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I like Zach Wilson. The kid has moxie.
    His greatest asset last night was his escapability. He made some very good throws (his first TD was his best throw, I think). He threw one pick but could have easily thrown 3 more. I'm glad he will likely never have great WRs in Provo. I wish he'd gone to Boise. I like Boise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    His greatest asset last night was his escapability. He made some very good throws (his first TD was his best throw, I think). He threw one pick but could have easily thrown 3 more. I'm glad he will likely never have great WRs in Provo. I wish he'd gone to Boise. I like Boise.
    I thought his best was the throw to the 1 when they went up 20-0. We were about the sack him, he got rid of the ball quickly and stoood in there. Helluva play. Pass on the money.

    I also thought the pick-6 and a couple of throws after that into double coverage was the reason they went conservative. Werent going to let a turnover get us back into the game. Never really let him throw downfield after that until the very end. He will be great if he stays healthy.

    Shelley underthrew every single downfield throw. If he doesnt get that fixed, we are going to be in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Shelley underthrew every single downfield throw. If he doesnt get that fixed, we are going to be in trouble.
    He's done that all season except for a few memorable exceptions.

    I think Troy Williams was the best long ball QB we've had in the Pac-12. I don't know who's second place on that list. Hays?

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    I also thought the pick-6 and a couple of throws after that into double coverage was the reason they went conservative.
    ...which was the right decision 98% of the time. We just happened to land in the 2% exception zone. You have a 20 point lead late in the 3rd? Run the ball, and win. Of course, the exceptions are memorable while the wins are routine.

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    Letís make it eight straight: Utah vs. BYU, 2018

    Just watched the fourth quarter over again. Itís fun to watch a game on TV video after seeing it in person. I think I may watch the fourth quarter a few more times.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 11-26-2018 at 07:33 AM.

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    Some comments about the game:

    - Agree with everything said about shelley. His deep ball left me underwhelmed, I like his poise, and he is a Brian Johnson clone. I mean, he even has that way of running that seems more like walking that Brian had. He is NOT a dual-threat, at least as that term is typically used (just like BJ). His arm is nothing to write home about. But he has something about the way he carries himself that inspires confidence, even when it's misplaced.
    - On the long 33 yard td run. It is an amazing play, mostly for how much the BYU defenders bit on the running back fake handoff. You see the INSIDE DE go after the ball carrier running to the left (that is never his assignment) AS WELL as the left-side linebacker (I think it is number 11) that does the same thing. Basically Shelley had one man to beat and then he had open field forever.
    - I like Wilson too and wish that the U had offered him. He dropped some dimes (like the pass to the 1 yard line that Concerned mentions) and absolutely killed us with his legs. That being said, he is a freshman and his decision-making demonstrates that fact. He should have had two INTs in the first half and could have had more. The pass to the BYU TE that was an AMAZING one-handed grab that led to their last touchdown really should have been a pick as well; Barton was stride for stride with him and turned his head a millisecond too late. Now, not all of those will be picks, but at least a few should have been. I'm just hoping that recent history of player development at BYU continues to hold true.
    - I'll be interested to see what Troy T plans for Washington. I have to believe that he knows that running into the teeth of that defense is a non-starter; BYU shut us down, and UW has a much better D-line. Also, BYU completely bottled up Covey. Really the key for our offense against the Y was when Isaiah Kafusi got hurt; the substitute LB was not good. The game plan we trotted out against BYU will not work against the Huskies.

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    how much of the game plan was vanilla-ed down? Limit film on Shelley for this week?
    I read somewhere that the bunch formation wasn't used because they played so much zone D.

    I think our depth was a big key in the win. Utah could rotate guys and keep everyone fresh.

    I guess the sliver lining in this is that the starters still only had to play one half. Just no the half we all thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    He's done that all season except for a few memorable exceptions.

    I think Troy Williams was the best long ball QB we've had in the Pac-12. I don't know who's second place on that list. Hays?
    Speaking of Jon Hays, just heard Norm Chow say on the radio that he spoke to Hays. Hays is from Paradise; just got married and lives in Chico. But his parents home was destroyed, his in-laws home destroyed, as was his father's business, which he had just paid off after 25 years. All of them are now living in hays' home in Chico.

    that certainly puts the game in perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Some comments about the game:

    - Agree with everything said about shelley. His deep ball left me underwhelmed, I like his poise, and he is a Brian Johnson clone. I mean, he even has that way of running that seems more like walking that Brian had. He is NOT a dual-threat, at least as that term is typically used (just like BJ). His arm is nothing to write home about. But he has something about the way he carries himself that inspires confidence, even when it's misplaced.
    - On the long 33 yard td run. It is an amazing play, mostly for how much the BYU defenders bit on the running back fake handoff. You see the INSIDE DE go after the ball carrier running to the left (that is never his assignment) AS WELL as the left-side linebacker (I think it is number 11) that does the same thing. Basically Shelley had one man to beat and then he had open field forever.
    - I like Wilson too and wish that the U had offered him. He dropped some dimes (like the pass to the 1 yard line that Concerned mentions) and absolutely killed us with his legs. That being said, he is a freshman and his decision-making demonstrates that fact. He should have had two INTs in the first half and could have had more. The pass to the BYU TE that was an AMAZING one-handed grab that led to their last touchdown really should have been a pick as well; Barton was stride for stride with him and turned his head a millisecond too late. Now, not all of those will be picks, but at least a few should have been. I'm just hoping that recent history of player development at BYU continues to hold true.
    - I'll be interested to see what Troy T plans for Washington. I have to believe that he knows that running into the teeth of that defense is a non-starter; BYU shut us down, and UW has a much better D-line. Also, BYU completely bottled up Covey. Really the key for our offense against the Y was when Isaiah Kafusi got hurt; the substitute LB was not good. The game plan we trotted out against BYU will not work against the Huskies.
    Good thoughts. I saw the BYU DE bite on the fake -- so did Shelley, who said he was just planning to run the clock down, but after he saw the DE "crash" on the decoy Utah RB, Shelley said he saw an opportunity to put the game away and took off. What a moment that was. It showed good presence of mind and instincts on Shelley's part, too. You're right about the Brian Johnson comparison - he became an assassin, but not until he was a senior. Shelley's only a redshirt freshman, which bodes well!

    On the run game against Washington, what do you think about Utah's standard strategy of wearing down the opposing defense? Usually that results in good 2nd half success in the run game. Don't we have to pound UW to some extent? Also, BYU clearly keyed on Covey, but didn't that leave valuable opportunities for Utah to throw to Nacua and Simpkins?
    Last edited by LA Ute; 11-26-2018 at 09:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Speaking of Jon Hays, just heard Norm Chow say on the radio that he spoke to Hays. Hays is from Paradise; just got married and lives in Chico. But his parents home was destroyed, his in-laws home destroyed, as was his father's business, which he had just paid off after 25 years. All of them are now living in hays' home in Chico.

    that certainly puts the game in perspective.
    I'll always remember Hays as the guy who was not afraid to stand in the pocket until the last millisecond, get the pass off, and then get blown up by a pass rusher. He'd jump up and move on to the next play. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Hays.

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