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    I've heard from multiple people that Sark had a great fondness for Salt Lake City while he was in college, particularly the Green Street Pub portion of Salt Lake City.

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    I’m happy with the Ludwig hire. He’s a known quantity who has succeeded in the last and is able to get along with KW — stayed longer than any other OC under Whitt. I’m not disappointed because I tried to keep realistic expectations. Ludwig could be just what we needed.

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    One thing that I like is that he should provide stability. At this point in his career, he's a college OC. He's not going to the NFL, and he's not going to become a head coach. If Utah wants to keep him, we should be able to keep him for as long as we want.

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    This all kind of underscores for me that as fans we tend to be, as Mayor Quimby would put it, "a pack of fickle mush heads". I was among those dissatisfied with Ludwig at the time, and while I am not jumping for joy at his hiring, I think he can get the long wanted task of establishing an "average offense to pair with our elite defense." that will hopefully get us over the hump. So I am happy he is apparently back.

    Looking back at all we've been through I wish he would have stayed on board all along, but his moving about the college football world has probably expanded his abilities quite a bit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    ...while I am not jumping for joy at his hiring, I think he can get the long wanted task of establishing an "average offense to pair with our elite defense" that will hopefully get us over the hump. So I am happy he is apparently back.
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    I've heard from multiple people that Sark had a great fondness for Salt Lake City while he was in college, particularly the Green Street Pub portion of Salt Lake City.

    Which is why he didn’t return. It’s been closed for years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Based on rumors here and on Utah Twitter, these are some of the things I currently believe:

    1) Whitt talked to a lot of people. We've already heard about Sark, Ludwig, Sanford Sr, RichRod, Detmer, and McCoy. How many did we not hear about? The fact that he talked to Detmer indicates to me that he was trying to talk to just about everyone.

    2) We never had a shot with Sark. He strung us along as a backup plan until the NFL thing became solid. We can't compete with the money and prestige, and in some ways, an NFL coordinator is an easier job. Plus, he went to school in a very bizarre part of Utah. If he judges the entire state by that experience, the thought of living in SLC probably didn't give him warm fuzzies.

    3) Whitt wants someone with experience calling games at a high level. He also wants someone with experience working with the type of offense and personnel we have right now. He knows we have a good team now. He can't afford to wait on some FCS guy to get his sea legs, and he can't afford to wait on a major overhaul of scheme.

    4) Whitt wants someone who will get along with players and staff. In the carousel, he's had two guys who turned out to be hard to work with. One of them reportedly cost us our most heralded recruit of all time. He fired a players' coach in order to bring Taylor here, and he may regret that decision.

    5) Ludwig was not our 1st or 2nd choice. Maybe not our 3rd or 4th. But he does have the experience necessary. He has worked with various types of offenses at a high level of college football. Presumably, he is also easy to work with.

    So that's my story. Whitt ruled out FCS and DII right off the bat. Then he reached out to many (dozens?) of people across college football and the NFL to gauge interest and fit. After a few (2? 3?) failed attempts to hire someone, he settled on someone he knows. He wanted a splashier hire for recruiting purposes, but he at knows he landed an experienced playcaller.

    Like I said, my story is based off of rumor only. Feel free to poke holes in it.
    I think a lot of what you say makes sense. I just have to get one thing off my chest: there is a 0.0% chance that Utah was talking to Detmer about being the OC. Any contact between Utah and Detmer would have been to gauge his interest in working as QB coach under Harding as the OC. I'm sorry, I just can't abide the idea that Utah was interested in Detmer as OC after his offense at BYU was such a colossal failure. That BYU offense made Utah's ARod offenses look like the LA Rams.

    Also, I can buy that Sark may have only viewed Utah as a backup plan. However, Utah has often been a backup plan for players and coaches who still come here when their other plans don't pan out and do quite well. I do think there was plenty of mutual interest between Sark and Utah.

    Other names I've heard that you didn't list: Zak Hill of Boise State and Robert Anae, FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UBlender View Post
    I think a lot of what you say makes sense. I just have to get one thing off my chest: there is a 0.0% chance that Utah was talking to Detmer about being the OC. Any contact between Utah and Detmer would have been to gauge his interest in working as QB coach under Harding as the OC. I'm sorry, I just can't abide the idea that Utah was interested in Detmer as OC after his offense at BYU was such a colossal failure. That BYU offense made Utah's ARod offenses look like the LA Rams.

    Also, I can buy that Sark may have only viewed Utah as a backup plan. However, Utah has often been a backup plan for players and coaches who still come here when their other plans don't pan out and do quite well. I do think there was plenty of mutual interest between Sark and Utah.

    Other names I've heard that you didn't list: Zak Hill of Boise State and Robert Anae, FWIW.
    Ute nation would probably have a visceral reaction to Anae getting hired, but watching UVA's bowl game, he runs a lot of what I would think fans would want. Dynamic QB, power run game, athletic WRs and uses the TE.

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    Ute nation would probably have a visceral reaction to Anae getting hired, but watching UVA's bowl game, he runs a lot of what I would think fans would want. Dynamic QB, power run game, athletic WRs and uses the TE.
    His name has come up over the years when we've had openings. I've always been a fan.

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    His name has come up over the years when we've had openings. I've always been a fan.
    Which makes this a rather curious Tweet.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    Which is why he didn’t return. It’s been closed for years.


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    Please let’s get our closed-for-good legendary SLC bars straight. It was Port O’ Call. John Walsh tuned him into that scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Which makes this a rather curious Tweet.
    Huh. I guess it's back to waiting then. Ludwig, Anae...who knows? They're both experienced, so there's that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    I've heard from multiple people that Sark had a great fondness for Salt Lake City while he was in college, particularly the Green Street Pub portion of Salt Lake City.

    Yup. I met him at Port o' Call once.

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    Utezone saying Ludwig is now official

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    Utezone saying Ludwig is now official
    I feel relieved...didn't want my wikipedia research yesterday to be for nothing.

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    Damn.



    This makes Anae coming back even more important.


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    Utah makes it official this morning.

    https://utahutes.com/news/2019/1/10/...ordinator.aspx


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    This is somewhat encouraging:



    Not sure of the source. One of my sons sent it to me.

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  19. #109
    Twitter says Sark is going back to Alabama.

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    Donavan Thompson has entered the transfer portal. Thought this would be a good year for him.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Donavan Thompson has entered the transfer portal. Thought this would be a good year for him.




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    By the way, has the transfer portal been a thing before? Great name, though: sounds like something from Star trek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    By the way, has the transfer portal been a thing before? Great name, though: sounds like something from Star trek.
    It’s new as of last year


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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    By the way, has the transfer portal been a thing before? Great name, though: sounds like something from Star trek.
    So those we know are: Mariner (WR), Grant (OL), Thompson (LB), Dixon (OL). I've heard there are 3 or 4 additional players who have entered their names but not made it public and several more contemplating doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    So those we know are: Mariner (WR), Grant (OL), Thompson (LB), Dixon (OL). I've heard there are 3 or 4 additional players who have entered their names but not made it public and several more contemplating doing so.
    Another reason that Larry Krystkowiak should be fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    So those we know are: Mariner (WR), Grant (OL), Thompson (LB), Dixon (OL). I've heard there are 3 or 4 additional players who have entered their names but not made it public and several more contemplating doing so.
    Hart (LB/DE). Repp has also been reported. Also Rex Jordan (DE) is a medical retirement.

    Let's all remember the portal is a new thing and some of these guys are definitely moving on while others may be experimenting to see who bites before they fully commit to transferring. I think you'll see some people (in general, not necessarily at Utah) enter the transfer portal before ultimately deciding to return to their original team.

    Also, it should be the "transfer database" and the "transfer portal" should be the sci-fi means by which they travel to their new school.

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