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    2020 Democrats Are Starting to Turn Obama’s Legacy Against Biden

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/2020-d...den?ref=scroll

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    Are the Democrats jumping off the cliff?

    Even more disturbing is how the candidates have taken the bait and gone so far as to criticize and condemn President Barack Obama, a man with a popularity rating greater than 90 percent among Democrats in virtually all polls. Why in God’s name would these candidates, no matter how liberal, decide it was wise to rip into the former president?
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...-off-the-cliff

    I don't think so. The eventual candidate will race to the center as soon as she/he is official.

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    The joys of running for president.

    https://twitter.com/ryanmiddleton/st...726185986?s=12

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    2020 Presidential Race

    Democrat friends, do you think this is a winning position among the independents whose votes the Dems need in order to defeat Trump? Or will the Dem candidates taking this position and others like it just race to the center after they get the nomination? I wonder if they can pull that off. Maybe. Voters do have short memories about such things.

    Last edited by LA Ute; 09-08-2019 at 07:24 AM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Democrat friends, do you think this is a winning position among the independents whose votes the Dems need in order to defeat Trump? Or will the Dem candidates taking this position and others like it just race to the center after they get the nomination? I wonder if they can pull that off. Maybe. Voters do have short memories about such things.

    She’ll just edit her tweet with a sharpie


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    Could Bill Clinton win the nomination in 2020?

    I'm asking for a friend.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...wa-caucus.html


    I guess this is it for Iowa. I can probably live with Buttigieg, but not Sanders/Warren. If I have to vote Trump to keep out Sanders, I will. Utah will go Trump no matter what......but still.
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    Klobuchar making her move! I think the most interesting election scenario is Trump vs Klobuchar. Then all the people who have said "give me a moderate, and I'll vote against Trump" will be put to the test. I imagine they will still vote for Trump, but it will be interesting to see. Any other likely scenario just has Trump vs a progressive. We know what happens there - the red vote red, and the blue vote blue with turnout in the swing states deciding the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Klobuchar making her move! I think the most interesting election scenario is Trump vs Klobuchar. Then all the people who have said "give me a moderate, and I'll vote against Trump" will be put to the test. I imagine they will still vote for Trump, but it will be interesting to see. Any other likely scenario just has Trump vs a progressive. We know what happens there - the red vote red, and the blue vote blue with turnout in the swing states deciding the election.
    My wife was in a meeting with Mitt Romney a couple of weeks ago. He said that Trump would beat Bernie or Liz in a landslide, but the Klobuchar would beat Trump decisively.

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    I posted this on UF.net too. Here are a pair of interesting op-eds from both the left and center. One is from Jonathon Chait, a decidedly left-leaning pundit and analyst, and the other is from Megan McCardle, a true centrist who is very critical of Trump and writes often about economic and political issues. I really enjoy her work because she is remarkably objective, IMO.

    Joe Biden’s Campaign Was a Disaster for Liberalism and the Democratic Party


    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...his-party.html


    This Amy Klobuchar could beat Trump. Where has she been all year?


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...been-all-year/

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Klobuchar would be an interesting candidate. She was the lone democrat to approach the Kavanaugh hearings with any sense of fairness or dignity. If Bernie doesn't get the nomination this time, there's more than one talking head who believe a bunch of Bernie supporters will essentially give the democrat party the bird and stay home on election day. They may be able to screw him over once, but not twice.
    “Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman

    "You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb

    "Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.

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    I was at a function with my daughter and about 10 of her friends the other day (all 18-21 year olds), and I was surprised that 2/3 rds of them were all in on Bernie Sanders.

    My unscientific poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    My wife was in a meeting with Mitt Romney a couple of weeks ago. He said that Trump would beat Bernie or Liz in a landslide, but the Klobuchar would beat Trump decisively.
    It's hard to imagine a "landslide" with the way the past few presidential elections have gone. I think the Democrats could run a potato, the Republicans could run a yam, and each party would get 45% of the vote and it would come down to the swing states.
    Last edited by sancho; 02-12-2020 at 05:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    I was at a function with my daughter and about 10 of her friends the other day (all 18-21 year olds), and I was surprised that 2/3 rds of them were all in on Bernie Sanders.

    My unscientific poll.


    Could Bernie really happen? I was thinking the choices couldn't be worse than Trump vs Hillary, but, Bernie would be worse by ten-fold.
    “Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman

    "You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb

    "Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    Could Bernie really happen? I was thinking the choices couldn't be worse than Trump vs Hillary, but, Bernie would be worse by ten-fold.
    No candidate has ever been worse than Trump. Bernie at least cares about something and can interact with others. I think health care and higher ed reform are both issues worthy of conversation, and a Sanders presidency would hopefully force those conversations.

    AOC had it right when she more or less said last week that Bernie is aiming left to hit the mark.

    That said, I still have Bernie below Klobuchar and Warren..maybe Buttigieg too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    No candidate has ever been worse than Trump. Bernie at least cares about something and can interact with others. I think health care and higher ed reform are both issues worthy of conversation, and a Sanders presidency would hopefully force those conversations.

    AOC had it right when she more or less said last week that Bernie is aiming left to hit the mark.

    That said, I still have Bernie below Klobuchar and Warren..maybe Buttigieg too.
    do you remember the stock market bounce after Trump was elected? Imag8ne that in reverse if Warren or Bernie wins. I’m hoping for buttigieg, Klobuchar, or even Bloomberg to rid us of trump, but not see the economy tank.
    “To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    do you remember the stock market bounce after Trump was elected? Imag8ne that in reverse if Warren or Bernie wins. I’m hoping for buttigieg, Klobuchar, or even Bloomberg to rid us of trump, but not see the economy tank.
    Sounds like our wish lists are basically the same.

    I think it's amusing when people pretend that anyone has any control or influence over the economy. That thing is 100 million miles beyond being a chaotic system. Talk about the butterfly effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Sounds like our wish lists are basically the same.

    I think it's amusing when people pretend that anyone has any control or influence over the economy. That thing is 100 million miles beyond being a chaotic system. Talk about the butterfly effect.
    It’s chaotic, schizophrenic, etc. But it is still subject to some simple forces. The market is the cumulative of stocks of corporations. When a business friendly president takes office, the market will go up. Put in rabid anti-corporate presidents like Warren or Sanders, and what do you think will happen.
    “To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    do you remember the stock market bounce after Trump was elected? Imag8ne that in reverse if Warren or Bernie wins. I’m hoping for buttigieg, Klobuchar, or even Bloomberg to rid us of trump, but not see the economy tank.
    What will happen to the Republican Party after four more years of Trump? Would the economic impact of Bernie winning be worse if the usual gridlock in Congress remains? What would the long term repercussions be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    What will happen to the Republican Party after four more years of Trump? Would the economic impact of Bernie winning be worse if the usual gridlock in Congress remains? What would the long term repercussions be?
    Great questions. They are complex. My point was just about the initial market reaction to electing a socialists or anti-corporate candidate.
    “To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.

  21. #81
    As BYU-haters, we should all be rooting for Sanders'/Warren's free college plan. BYU is riding high on dirt cheap tuition, but if free college is everywhere, there is no need for BYU (if there ever was a need). Like when you make sure a welfare recipient is getting everything they can out of the government before dipping into fast offerings, we could encourage students to go to their local flagship instead of forcing a million students into Rexburg.

    Also, why can we not compromise on these things? Why does it need to be free? Why not use taxes to set in-state tuition at a level where someone can work themselves through school? Make it a function of cost of living and minimum wage. Assume part time work during a semester and full time work in the summer. Tie that government funding to a requirement that schools only spend x% of their moneys on admin, staff, and services to try to curb the arms race to the poshest dorms and nicest gyms and most support staff.

  22. #82
    Two of the better candidates -- Klobuchar & Buttigieg -- are done.

    So what are we left with now? Sanders, Warren, Biden and Bloomberg. Slim pickings..
    “Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman

    "You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb

    "Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.

  23. #83
    For all intents and purposes, we're down to Sanders and Biden after Super Tuesday.
    “Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman

    "You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb

    "Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.

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