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    The Fire Larry Krystkowiak Thread

    With the news that Jayce Johnson is on his way out, Iím officially done. All thatís left is for us to not make the NCAAs next year, and this failed experiment will be over with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    With the news that Jayce Johnson is on his way out, Iím officially done. All thatís left is for us to not make the NCAAs next year, and this failed experiment will be over with.
    If true, you are right.

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    There's no way for us to verify, right? We just have to wait?

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    We are not making the tournament next year, not without Headband Jayce. This is really devastating.

    I have almost zero faith in Larry Krystkowiak any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    With the news that Jayce Johnson is on his way out, I’m officially done. All that’s left is for us to not make the NCAAs next year, and this failed experiment will be over with.
    I join you in being officially done.

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    Cool. Who here is kicking in for the buyout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Cool. Who here is kicking in for the buyout.
    The buyout means nothing. If it's his time to go, we can figure it out.

    I hate that Jayce is (maybe) leaving. Why would he go?

    1) He's graduating and just wants a new setting?
    2) He has a girlfriend in CA?
    3) He blames Larry for his own shortcomings as a player?
    4) He doesn't have close friends on the team?
    5) He knows Thione will take all his playing time next year?
    6) He bought into the media silliness that tells him he's a victim and is owed something more.

    My guess is #1, but it doesn't matter. We can fire Larry, and we will be frustrated as the next coach also has players transfer out. This new transfer/free agency era of college sports stinks. It's what the media demanded for years, and they didn't care if it made the game worse. And they just keep demanding that the sports become more and more like professional leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    The buyout means nothing. If it's his time to go, we can figure it out.

    I hate that Jayce is (maybe) leaving. Why would he go?

    1) He's graduating and just wants a new setting?
    2) He has a girlfriend in CA?
    3) He blames Larry for his own shortcomings as a player?
    4) He doesn't have close friends on the team?
    5) He knows Thione will take all his playing time next year?
    6) He bought into the media silliness that tells him he's a victim and is owed something more.

    My guess is #1, but it doesn't matter. We can fire Larry, and we will be frustrated as the next coach also has players transfer out. This new transfer/free agency era of college sports stinks. It's what the media demanded for years, and they didn't care if it made the game worse. And they just keep demanding that the sports become more and more like professional leagues.
    Not sure I agree with your first paragraph, but agreed on the final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    The buyout means nothing. If it's his time to go, we can figure it out.

    I hate that Jayce is (maybe) leaving. Why would he go?

    1) He's graduating and just wants a new setting?
    2) He has a girlfriend in CA?
    3) He blames Larry for his own shortcomings as a player?
    4) He doesn't have close friends on the team?
    5) He knows Thione will take all his playing time next year?
    6) He bought into the media silliness that tells him he's a victim and is owed something more.

    My guess is #1, but it doesn't matter. We can fire Larry, and we will be frustrated as the next coach also has players transfer out. This new transfer/free agency era of college sports stinks. It's what the media demanded for years, and they didn't care if it made the game worse. And they just keep demanding that the sports become more and more like professional leagues.
    I don’t care what about any transfer/free agency era; I want guys with character like I saw in this Final Four. I’ve seen guys like that in Utah’s past programs. Guys like that don’t transfer, whatever the fashion. If Johnson had that kind of character, and he saw that if he stayed he could be a crucial piece of something big and transcendent, he’d stay. Transfers are happening (1) among guys that don’t expect to be very important in the current program, and (2) among foundering programs. Our objective should be to get out of that pitiful circle, which, granted, comprises more than half of DI schools. We should aspire to more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    The buyout means nothing. If it's his time to go, we can figure it out.

    I hate that Jayce is (maybe) leaving. Why would he go?

    1) He's graduating and just wants a new setting?
    2) He has a girlfriend in CA?
    3) He blames Larry for his own shortcomings as a player?
    4) He doesn't have close friends on the team?
    5) He knows Thione will take all his playing time next year?
    6) He bought into the media silliness that tells him he's a victim and is owed something more.

    My guess is #1, but it doesn't matter. We can fire Larry, and we will be frustrated as the next coach also has players transfer out. This new transfer/free agency era of college sports stinks. It's what the media demanded for years, and they didn't care if it made the game worse. And they just keep demanding that the sports become more and more like professional leagues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Not sure I agree with your first paragraph, but agreed on the final.
    A program that truly cares finds a way to fire a dead duck coach. I know we are a football school now, but I think we still care enough about basketball to not let a buyout get in our way. I'm not saying Larry has to go; I'm saying that if he does need to go, we will be able to make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Alex Markham, who as Pat correctly pointed out on twitter is clearly tweeting out, probably almost verbatim, what the staff wants him to say, said that even though he is in the transfer portal, Jayce may end up coming back.

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    Just so everybody can hate me more than you already do, here is my attempt at seeing the positive here.

    -Roster was imbalanced toward the bigs. With two roster spots, perhaps the staff looks to bring in a juco and a grad transfer guard. That would make the roster more "perfectly balanced, as all things should be."
    -Thioune, MVK, and Carlsen all get more of an opportunity to play and show what they can do as the team builds for success down the road (I can feel the eyeroll from here and i get it, im just trying to see any positives here)

    Yeah...........so theres that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    The buyout means nothing. If it's his time to go, we can figure it out.

    I hate that Jayce is (maybe) leaving. Why would he go?

    1) He's graduating and just wants a new setting?
    2) He has a girlfriend in CA?
    3) He blames Larry for his own shortcomings as a player?
    4) He doesn't have close friends on the team?
    5) He knows Thione will take all his playing time next year?
    6) He bought into the media silliness that tells him he's a victim and is owed something more.

    My guess is #1, but it doesn't matter. We can fire Larry, and we will be frustrated as the next coach also has players transfer out. This new transfer/free agency era of college sports stinks. It's what the media demanded for years, and they didn't care if it made the game worse. And they just keep demanding that the sports become more and more like professional leagues.
    A possible #7--Larry was hard on Jaycee to bring out the best in him, and Jaycee didn't like it. Maybe one of Larry's problems is that he doesn't adjust his style to different personalities. I think this has been suggested before. Matures was able to get away with it because the team results were so good, and he had assistants who propped a kid up.
    Who knows. Players have changed and Larry hasn't. His position certainly isn't as stable with a new athletic director.
    Utah's tradition is certainly gone. Look at the coaches since Pimm left. All disappointments, except for the Majerus golden era. And some questioned Majerus--someone who had only two years of college head coaching experience.
    Looking at an experience of four out of five bad hires isn't promising. And we kind of lucked out on the fifth, spectacularly.
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    Moreover, if this is an epidemic, we don’t experience the benefit, unlike the football team. We have a net talent drain over the years. We should want a coach who uses the transfer market to improve, and is not depleted by it. Increased fluidity is as much opportunity as challenge. But only the fittest coaches survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    A possible #7--Larry was hard on Jaycee to bring out the best in him, and Jaycee didn't like it. Maybe one of Larry's problems is that he doesn't adjust his style to different personalities. I think this has been suggested before. Matures was able to get away with it because the team results were so good, and he had assistants who propped a kid up.
    Who knows. Players have changed and Larry hasn't.
    Yeah, maybe. Larry certainly doesn't berate his players during games like many other coaches we see, but maybe he's too tough in practice or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Moreover, if this is an epidemic, we donít experience the benefit, unlike the football team. We have a net talent drain over the years. We should want a coach who uses the transfer market to improve, and is not depleted by it. Increased fluidity is as much opportunity as challenge. But only the fittest coaches survive.
    not even remotely true - here are some of Utah's transfers IN - Justin Bibbins, Delon Wright, Gabe Bealer, Chris Reyes, Sedrick Barefield, David Collette, Tyler Rawson, Dallin Bachynski

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Moreover, if this is an epidemic, we don’t experience the benefit, unlike the football team. We have a net talent drain over the years. We should want a coach who uses the transfer market to improve, and is not depleted by it. Increased fluidity is as much opportunity as challenge. But only the fittest coaches survive.
    I gotta hand it to you. It takes something special to be this wrong. Its absolutely marvelous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Yeah, maybe. Larry certainly doesn't berate his players during games like many other coaches we see, but maybe he's too tough in practice or something.
    I have been to a number of practices, Larry is not tough on the players in practice. Tommy Connor has a big role at practices.
    Who knows why the Headband wants to leave, but it is not because he has been berated by the coaches.

    I am probably the only one who thinks players should have more freedom in leaving, everyone else can change colleges, jobs, etc. when things change or they are unhappy—why not college athletes? I think if they put in 2 years then they can leave with no penalty, no sitting out.
    Coaches can leave with no penalty.
    Then a person like Chris Hart in FB or Poopola (sp?) in BB who just is not good enough can move on & have a chance to play right away at a different level.

    As to Jayce maybe he got sick of all of us groaning when he went to the free throw line. He is kind of a goof ball, but is smart & really works at BB. Maybe he realized the end is near—-no BB future for him & wants to move to where he will live after he finishes next year.

    If/when he leaves I wish him well & good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    not even remotely true - here are some of Utah's transfers IN - Justin Bibbins, Delon Wright, Gabe Bealer, Chris Reyes, Sedrick Barefield, David Collette, Tyler Rawson, Dallin Bachynski
    I donít count the JUCO kids when talking about transfers of this nature. That leaves just Bibbins, Barefield, Collette and Bachinsky ó and probably bolsters your argument at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Standing ute View Post
    I have been to a number of practices, Larry is not tough on the players in practice. Tommy Connor has a big role at practices.
    Who knows why the Headband wants to leave, but it is not because he has been berated by the coaches.

    I am probably the only one who thinks players should have more freedom in leaving, everyone else can change colleges, jobs, etc. when things change or they are unhappy—why not college athletes? I think if they put in 2 years then they can leave with no penalty, no sitting out.
    Coaches can leave with no penalty.
    Then a person like Chris Hart in FB or Poopola (sp?) in BB who just is not good enough can move on & have a chance to play right away at a different level.

    As to Jayce maybe he got sick of all of us groaning when he went to the free throw line. He is kind of a goof ball, but is smart & really works at BB. Maybe he realized the end is near—-no BB future for him & wants to move to where he will live after he finishes next year.

    If/when he leaves I wish him well & good luck.
    I think the problem of letting a guy leave after 2 years without penalty is that a lot of these guys know each other and that would start to create dream team building at the detriment of the rest of the schools. Go out, prove yourself good, other teams start drooling over you and then it is a "Hey come play with me and we'll get an NCAA championship together."

    The transfer rules that limit movement don't bother me. Universities spend significant amount of money and time recruiting kids and then supporting them while they are here, and then to have essentially a 24/7/365 recruiting requirement, for even your own players, would be a nightmare. This transfer portal thing is stupid too, and what a statement you make to your coaches and team when you put yourself in there and then DON'T transfer?

    Regardless of it all, what we DO know for sure is that Jayce is not happy to stick out his last year at the U, despite the fact that he'll likely get limited to no interest from a program of similar caliber. That's a big matzo ball sitting out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    I think the problem of letting a guy leave after 2 years without penalty is that a lot of these guys know each other and that would start to create dream team building at the detriment of the rest of the schools. Go out, prove yourself good, other teams start drooling over you and then it is a "Hey come play with me and we'll get an NCAA championship together."

    The transfer rules that limit movement don't bother me. Universities spend significant amount of money and time recruiting kids and then supporting them while they are here, and then to have essentially a 24/7/365 recruiting requirement, for even your own players, would be a nightmare. This transfer portal thing is stupid too, and what a statement you make to your coaches and team when you put yourself in there and then DON'T transfer?

    Regardless of it all, what we DO know for sure is that Jayce is not happy to stick out his last year at the U, despite the fact that he'll likely get limited to no interest from a program of similar caliber. That's a big matzo ball sitting out there.
    The number 1 rule always needs to be "don't kill the golden goose." If free agency is bad for college sports, then we should not allow it. College football and basketball are glorious things that have been great for 100 years. Why mess with the recipe?

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    Universities make millions off of athletes, much more than they spend on them. Plus coaches can flush out turds without any penalty to the coach, (maybe too many & they lose their jobs), but the turd has to sit out for a year.

    Change will never happen as there is too much money being made in the current system, & not any money to be made off a lawsuit for non-star players, but I got to know Chris Hart & it bugged me that he had no options but to work his butt off & try different positions, when his real problem he was a football tweener.

    Interesting to see where Jayce goes—-I agree he will probably have to take a step down, but maybe he wants to go somewhere where he will be the star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    I don’t count the JUCO kids when talking about transfers of this nature. That leaves just Bibbins, Barefield, Collette and Bachinsky — and probably bolsters your argument at the same time.
    I think you have to count the JUCO kids in this equation because it was the transfers out that made room for the JUCO kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Standing ute View Post
    Universities make millions off of athletes, much more than they spend on them. Plus coaches can flush out turds without any penalty to the coach, (maybe too many & they lose their jobs), but the turd has to sit out for a year.

    Change will never happen as there is too much money being made in the current system, & not any money to be made off a lawsuit for non-star players, but I got to know Chris Hart & it bugged me that he had no options but to work his butt off & try different positions, when his real problem he was a football tweener.

    Interesting to see where Jayce goes—-I agree he will probably have to take a step down, but maybe he wants to go somewhere where he will be the star.
    There is no respectable level in which Jayce is a star. He is a good defender and a very good rebounder. He could be a great rebounder in a lesser league, I suppose, but he won't score a lot at any level.

    I don't see what's wrong with Hart staying as a tweener, getting a free education, getting to play a sport he loves. I think a free transfer should be allowed to a lower division. Let him go to Weber if playing time is the issue.

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    Hart did not get to play—-special teams is not really playing.

    So he got to practice the sport he loves. I agree he should have been allowed to go to a lower division like Weber without a penalty.

    Same with Pop in BB.

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    Jayce is an interesting use case for Larry's tenure at Utah. On the one hand, he's a kid who came in with a lot of promise and has had flashes of being a really good player. He's certainly improved in his 4 years at Utah...I don't think anyone can deny that. However, he also has been a guy that the fans have really piled on at times. Had he transferred after last season, would it have been celebrated? I suspect for some fans it would've been. Now those same fans that have been on his ass for several years are citing him as a reason to fire Larry. Hard to reconcile that one.

    As for firing Larry. Okay, fine, so we fire Larry and we pay all 12.75 million of his buyout. If you're going to do that, you'd better be damn sure that you've got a guy lined up that can come in. The last several coaching searches have been flat out embarrassing for the school...do we really need to see Randy Bennett turn us down again? I've heard folks say that 3.5 million goes a long ways. Sure, but there's no chance that if the school is paying Larry that, that they are going to get right back in the business of paying top 10-15 money for their basketball coach.

    So that leaves us with the question of who are you going to get? If you wanted a Gregg Marshall, you're looking at giving him the same money as Larry (which he already makes) or slightly more. You have some local folks (Pope, Craig Smith, Alex Jensen)...does that generate excitement? I have no idea. I think Alex would certainly appeal to the older sentimental crowd.

    Here's my guy - Porter Moser, head coach of Loyola-Chicago. A Majerus guy, has head coaching experience, and currently (I believe) only making 500k. You could probably give him 2 million a year and he would come to Utah in a heartbeat.
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    UCLA wouldn’t pay $8M for Dixon’s buyout to get him as their coach.

    Utah is not paying Larry $12M+ to leave. And not $6M after next year, not with the push on donors to fund the FB expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Here's my guy - Porter Moser, head coach of Loyola-Chicago. A Majerus guy, has head coaching experience, and currently (I believe) only making 500k. You could probably give him 2 million a year and he would come to Utah in a heartbeat.
    You could probably give him 400,000 and he would come in a heartbeat. Loyola had its moment, but that ain't happening again, and Moser won't have a long window to cash in.

    I have no idea who Utah should have as our basketball coach. None of the names you mentioned are a sure thing except Gregg Marshall, and I would be beyond shocked if we could land a fish that big.

    On Jayce: Utah Twitter is the worst. Everything I saw about him there for 2 years was about how much of a failure he is. There's no way our vocal Tweeters are good for Utah athletics. I don't know if this is a universal problem all schools have or if we are particularly bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Standing ute View Post
    UCLA wouldn’t pay $8M for Dixon’s buyout to get him as their coach.

    Utah is not paying Larry $12M+ to leave. And not $6M after next year, not with the push on donors to fund the FB expansion.
    If UCLA people had been excited about Dixon, the buyout would have happened. If Utah people get excited about firing Larry, the $12 million will happen.

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