I learned in Church today

[SoCalCoug]

I had no idea this thread existed! LOVE IT!

On Sunday, I learned (again) that men are inferior to women and that men need to step up.

Our sunday school teacher had her husband leave her and the kids many years ago. I am truly sorry she had to go through that. But give me a break! Every time she teaches Sunday School it turns into "you men need to really be better at............" whatever the topic of the day is, it ALWAYS turns into something she can use to further her anti-men agenda. Look, Im married, I have a small child, I am not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but you know what? I try. Just like 95% of LDS men. She is the best at derailing her own lessons with her agenda. Often, its just "you men think you are so cool because you have the priesthood!? Well you ARENT! God gave you that Priesthood because women already have things figured out!" ALWAYS talks in blanket statements like that with no caveats that "yeah some women are lousy and some men figure it out" nothing.

Rant over, for now.

You're not in Mission Viejo, are you? In a former ward, the gospel doctrine teacher was divorced, and I was always hearing how her ex-husband abandoned her, and what a jerk he was.

I'm a divorce lawyer, and after I moved from that ward, I started working for the firm representing her ex-husband, and I got an entirely different perspective of her. She was bitter and vindictive and trying to avoid having to work. Plus, most of the stories about how her husband abandoned her and wouldn't support his kids turned out to just be not true. Her case went up on a couple of appeals, and the appellate court didn't seem to be particularly sympathetic to her, either.

[UtahsMrSports]

You're not in Mission Viejo, are you? In a former ward, the gospel doctrine teacher was divorced, and I was always hearing how her ex-husband abandoned her, and what a jerk he was.

I'm a divorce lawyer, and after I moved from that ward, I started working for the firm representing her ex-husband, and I got an entirely different perspective of her. She was bitter and vindictive and trying to avoid having to work. Plus, most of the stories about how her husband abandoned her and wouldn't support his kids turned out to just be not true. Her case went up on a couple of appeals, and the appellate court didn't seem to be particularly sympathetic to her, either.

nope, here in good old utah. and yes, im sure her husband has an entirely different side to the story.

[Sullyute]

We had friends up from Vegas who wanted to see the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I had never been to a live broadcast before and we had a very good time. It was great to hear some wonderful music, a short spiritual message, and then have the rest of the day to relax.

[Rocker Ute]

We had friends up from Vegas who wanted to see the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I had never been to a live broadcast before and we had a very good time. It was great to hear some wonderful music, a short spiritual message, and then have the rest of the day to relax.

Funny you should mention that. We also had some friends up and they wanted to go see MoTab. We couldn't go with them, but apparently they arrived one minute after it started and the usher wouldn't let them in.

They explained they had travelled a long way, so he finally agreed to let them into a room but were told they wouldn't have anywhere to sit, but could watch through a window.

So he goes to a steel door, swipes a card to unlock it and he puts them in the room and the door locks behind them. Apparently it was a concrete room with a window overlooking things.

They couldn't leave until he came back to get them, and one of the people who only has heard crazy stuff about Mormons was having some serious anxiety.

So they came back and told me about their story and I said, "Huh, something must have malfunctioned, typically that room fills up with water to the top and then drains and an announcement comes over the PA 'Congratulations, you've just been baptized a Mormon.'"

I then asked them, "So are you interested in learning more?"

They weren't.

[Sullyute]

My son was assigned to read the opening scripture in sharing time. I whispered the words in his ear as he spoke in the microphone. When it was over, he proceeded to say into the mic "you have bad breath!" I guess he didn't like the watermelon gum I was chewing.

[Rocker Ute]

A 14yo girl was giving a talk about forgiveness and cited the story about the woman taken in adultery and taken to Christ. She was pointing out how the men who brought her were evil and says, "obviously these men were lying. First of all, it takes two people, so where was the man? Secondly, how would you even catch someone in the very act?!"

Lots of amused glances around the congregation, we later agreed her logic was infallible.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I learned the Area 70 President, who sat in my Sunday School class today, was not amused when I substituted a poem by W. H. Auden for a conference talk by Boyd K. Packer.

The fact that Auden stated my point more precisely than Packer ever could is irrelevant.

The More Loving One, by W.H. Auden

Looking king up at the stars, I know quite well
That, for all they care, I can go to hell,
But on earth indifference is the least
We have to dread from man or beast.

How should we like it were stars to burn
With a passion for us we could not return?
If equal affection cannot be,
Let the more loving one be me.

Admirer as I think I am
Of stars that do not give a damn,
I cannot, now I see them, say
I missed one terribly all day.

Were all stars to disappear or die, I should learn to look at an empty sky
And feel its total dark sublime,
Though this might take me a little time.

[LA Ute]

This letter was read in our ward today:

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In a training session, our stake president added some guidance: "Brief" in this context means 3-5 minutes. Also, regarding children's testimonies, "old enough" means the child is able to come up to the stand by himself/herself, if a pass-around microphone is not being used. No "duets" with parents holding the child or standing by, whispering in the child's ear. Our bishop read the letter, then added the SP's guidance. I loved the whole thing. I guess this has become a problem in the Wasatch Front wards? That's usually what prompts letters like these. But I welcome the help even out here in the hinterland.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This letter was read in our ward today:

In a training session, our stake president added some guidance: "Brief" in this context means 3-5 minutes. Also, regarding children's testimonies, "old enough" means the child is able to come up to the stand by himself/herself, if a pass-around microphone is not being used. No "duets" with parents holding the child or standing by, whispering in the child's ear. Our bishop read the letter, then added the SP's guidance. I loved the whole thing. I guess this has become a problem in the Wasatch Front wards? That's usually what prompts letters like these. But I welcome the help even out here in the hinterland.

I am all for cutting back on testimonies whispered into little kids' ears. That is borderline creepy.

They had a letter just like this a few years ago. It made a difference for a few months and then people went right back to old habits.

[Rocker Ute]

I am all for cutting back on testimonies whispered into little kids' ears. That is borderline creepy.

They had a letter just like this a few years ago. It made a difference for a few months and then people went right back to old habits.

So years ago my nearly 90 year old grandfather decided to go out in a flame of glory. Apparently he got up in his ward of 50 years and went on a rant that reportedly included a chiding of parents "who get up during testimony meeting and whisper in their children's ears like they were the Holy Ghost." I believe that was some of the nicer things he said.

My dad got a call from an old friend who told him about the whole thing. A few weeks later he had a stroke and went to a care facility to live out the rest of his years. I've always thought that saying was awesome (despite losing his filter in his older years he really was a very remarkable and accomplished man), and think of it each time I see it. He was right.

[Sullyute]

This letter was read in our ward today:

FPLTR.jpg

In a training session, our stake president added some guidance: "Brief" in this context means 3-5 minutes. Also, regarding children's testimonies, "old enough" means the child is able to come up to the stand by himself/herself, if a pass-around microphone is not being used. No "duets" with parents holding the child or standing by, whispering in the child's ear. Our bishop read the letter, then added the SP's guidance. I loved the whole thing. I guess this has become a problem in the Wasatch Front wards? That's usually what prompts letters like these. But I welcome the help even out here in the hinterland.

I have never experienced this fast and testimony phenomenon. There has always been ample time for the same 10 -15 people to share their feelings. And there is usually plenty of silence between testimonies.

In fact I have always found it amusing to listen to the heavy breathing of a 3 year old as he puts his mouth on the microphone and waits for his mom to tell him what to say. I don't find it any less uplifting than listening to 15 minutes of someone testifying about indexing.

[Scorcho]

Clearly in the grand scheme of things what I about to complain about is nothing. It’s small, it’s virtually insignificant, but I need to beeyatch about it simply for my own sanity. Could they (the LDS Church) simply rename the Young Women’s Program.

I have been a member my entire life. I am a BIC Baby, and yet I still get confused about the YW Groups - Beehives, Mia-Maids and Laurels. I don’t mean to be insensitive (if there are significant reasons they are called that and I have missed it), but I have a daughter in one of those groups, I routinely forget which one, because these names are weird, bizarre and goofy. Is there any meaning behind them? I don’t know any great women in Biblical or BOM History named Laurel. And Mia-Maids what on earth is that? Is that a Missing-in-Action Maid? If that's the case my su-casa has had a Mia-Maid for far too long.

I would be happy with calling them Seniors, Juniors o r Sophomores. Level I, II or III. You could name them after famous women in the Scriptures (Ruth, Sarah and Mary), or any other division that creates an identity that gives our YW a sense of pride. The NHL realized years ago that the Patrick and Norris Divisions were out dated and confusing and renamed them, and the Big Ten quickly dropped the Legends and Leaders divisions because someone was smoking crack.

Can’t we rename the YW’s Program, so we don’t have to get more strange stares from our non-member friends. They already struggle so much with “Stake House.”

[LA Ute]

Not really something I learned in church, but important to know just the same:

Arsenio reveals Mormons' superpower

[Damage U]

For those of you getting out of church meetings today, after another Ute win and pics of Pres. Uchtdorf walking off the field at RES-south with Whitt, is the church still true or did the zoobs lock the doors to anyone wearing a hint of red?

[Scorcho]

The Scorcho’s packed up the family Truckster yesterday to see a friend perform a musical number in another ward. Sacrament meeting, at said ward, was simply several youth and their leaders reading from the For the Strength of the Youth Pamphlet from page one till the end. A somewhat lame Sacrament Meeting, but I guess it could have been worse.

Having never read For the Strength of the Youth in its entirety there are lots of great things in there. Its great advice for youth and adults, and certainly some things that I could do better. However, there was one part that troubled me. Naturally, there are several references to pornography and sexuality, and at one point it’s pointed out that sexual sin is second only to murder and denying the holy ghost in the hierarchy of bad things one can do. I’m not questioning the validity of that statement/BOM Scripture, I just feel uneasy about its place in the For the Strength of the Youth Pamphlet. It’s completely unnecessary.

I know this isn’t a new topic, but it seems that statement is more like a Scare Tactic than it is a warning. There’s no need to bring up the subject of murder, or denying the holy ghost when discussing sexual sin. It borders on the ludicrous IMO. Our youth struggle with enough guilt, most are already harder on themselves than they need to be. I don't see any need in comparing them to Charles Manson.

[Scorcho]

We had a great Priesthood lesson on social media yesterday. It was taken from Elder Uhctdorfs message that we should embrace and not shy away from Facebook, Twitter, etc. Essentially the lesson was that in order to be a true disciple of Christ, that we should use these tools to bear our testimonies and share eternal truths. Too many of us have shy'd away from these tools because we don't want to get involved in the controversial issues of today.

I've never had a Facebook account, but it definitely made me think that I probably should have one and use it to share my beliefs and feelings.

[LA Ute]

I don't recall the earlier letter but it doesn't surprise me. Some things never change, I guess, but if they get better for a while I'll take that. The goofy testimony meeting habits are annoying but kind of lovable. If it got to the point in our ward that people who wanted to speak couldn't, though, we'd do something about it.

[Rocker Ute]

I don't recall the earlier letter but it doesn't surprise me. Some things never change, I guess, but if they get better for a while I'll take that. The goofy testimony meeting habits are annoying but kind of lovable. If it got to the point in our ward that people who wanted to speak couldn't, though, we'd do something about it.

I've wondered if this is more of a younger demographic ward problem. My ward which is a mixed demographic and almost never has that happen. We went to my BIL's ward in Lehi and another BIL in West Jordan and they had a line of people with their children all waiting to do it. It took up 75% of the meeting and was massively irritating.

[LA Ute]

I've wondered if this is more of a younger demographic ward problem. My ward which is a mixed demographic and almost never has that happen. We went to my BIL's ward in Lehi and another BIL in West Jordan and they had a line of people with their children all waiting to do it. It took up 75% of the meeting and was massively irritating.

That explains a lot, I think, if it's happening widely.

[wuapinmon]

What's sad is that I can do this:

Na NA na na na nanaNAna. na na na na na NAAAAA. Na na Na na NANA NA! Na na.

And you all know what it sounds like.

[Pheidippides]

That explains a lot, I think, if it's happening widely.

My ward is younger, but I haven't seen that happen here in a few years now.

[LA Ute]

My ward is younger, but I haven't seen that happen here in a few years now.

I wonder where this is coming from?

[GUBA]

They read a letter in our ward announcing a new edition of the scriptures.

[Diehard Ute]

Just chiming in on the car prowls.

The only way to stop those is to get everyone to stop leaving things in their cars. Not even a coat or a blanket sitting on a seat.

By doing that the opportunity is gone and the thieves will go somewhere else.

As an aside, the politics of churches never cease to amaze me (I have Presbyterian politics stories )

[CardiacCoug]

1 PM Church is horrible.

We put our 2 kids that nap to bed at their usual naptime of noon. One of us stays home with them until they wake up. During NCAA Tourney season and good golf on TV the naps have tended to be extra long when it is my turn to stay for the naps for some reason.

[Joe Public]

1 PM Church is horrible.

We put our 2 kids that nap to bed at their usual naptime of noon. One of us stays home with them until they wake up. During NCAA Tourney season and good golf on TV the naps have tended to be extra long when it is my turn to stay for the naps for some reason.

Same.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

1 PM Church is horrible.

We put our 2 kids that nap to bed at their usual naptime of noon. One of us stays home with them until they wake up. During NCAA Tourney season and good golf on TV the naps have tended to be extra long when it is my turn to stay for the naps for some reason.

It is an abomination in the site of God.

[FMCoug]

The city has asked the Stake for 50 volunteers for this year's family festival. You might be in Utah if ...

[scottie]

The city has asked the Stake for 50 volunteers for this year's family festival. You might be in Utah if ...

You might be in Utah County if...

[Harry Tic]

I learned that if you want to describe the impressive size of the conference center, you might want to choose an adjective other than "spacious."