Wow, that had to be "itchy".Originally Posted by Rocker Ute
Many years ago we were in fast meeting, and a well-loved and regarded widow bore a beautiful testimony. There was hardly a dry eye in the chapel. After she spoke she walked out the rear door into the foyer. When the meeting ended, it was discovered she had died in the foyer. True story.
Desse jeito, não tem jeito.
Wow... Actually SDUF, being from the same area, you might even know this guy... his legend was far and wide. Hate to name him directly.
One of the funniest things I've ever seen in church (In SL when I was about 17 years old...
Our Sunday School teacher confirms his eight year old son on the main podium during fast meeting. After the blessing, he picks up the kid, (chair and all) smiles, rotates left and right showing him off, just like you would after blessing an infant. It was HYSTERICAL.
Desse jeito, não tem jeito.
I learned that I'm not ready to be a high priest yet after being the instructor in a combined HP/EQ meeting and having one brother take exception to a few things I wanted to discuss in my lesson. I only got through half of the first page of my three or four pages of notes because of this hang up and the subsequent discussion that went with it. It sure was fun though.
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
What were the problem topics?
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Please tell me that some of your wards bust out the microphones on cords for fast sunday. They did this in my home ward, when my wife attended she was baffled at this practice. My understanding was that it made it easier for the elderly (and there were many) in the ward who maybe didn't have the strength to walk all the way up to the pulpit. It seemed this practice got abused by the lazy and typically we'd go the entire testimony meeting with only 1 or 2 people actually stepping up to the pulpit.
In our ward we have both the microphone and the pulpit available. Almost everyone comes to the pulpit. We have a few members who are using walkers or are otherwise challenged, and they use the microphone. I've never thought about this much, but my recollection is that while I was growing up in Utah, and during my school years, no one ever came to the pulpit. Is that changing?
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
We had my favorite sunday school teacher yesterday (i talked about her earlier in this thread: the "I hate men" lady). Anyway, so she starts off by saying "is there anyone in this room who does not have any spiritual gifts? hmmmmm I don't see anyone who hasn't been baptized, except your little kids, so yes, everyone in here has at least one spiritual gift" My wife and I immediately looked at each other with dumbfounded looks. Huh? People who aren't LDS have no spiritual gifts? Yeah, I am going to have to disagree there lady.
I dont know, maybe I just get caught up on here strange wording. Later in the lesson, she said "we have to watch out for these songs today. Theres many songs out there that encourage drug abuse, abusing women, pornography, and homosexuality" Again, I looked at my wife and said "ill give her two out of four. But how many songs out there encourage or celebrate abuse of women? Exploitation, sure. Abuse? Yeah, I dont think so. Also, I have yet to hear a song that encourages drug abuse. Recreational drug use? sure." But again, she has driven me to the point that im probably unfairly nitpicky.
Oh, we were just discussing the nature of God, and I just made the remark that perhaps at times of great suffering, God might find himself conflicted. I think the exact phrase I said was "puts him in a tough spot, doesn't it?" And this HP took exception to that and let me know that that wasn't the case. We were discussing President Eyring's talk from last October..."Where is the Pavillion?"
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Clearly, you need to brush up on Smell the Glove by Spinal Tap.
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My wife is a devout LDS relief-society teacher.
Yesterday she taught about men & women being equal partners in a marriage.
When she got home, she told me she was surprised at how many women voiced opinions during class along the lines of "Yeah, that's a good point. I need to be more of an equal partner and less controlling towards my husband."
:notwhatIwasexpecting:
σοφῷ ἀνδρὶ Ἑλλὰς πάντα.
-- Flavius Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 1.35.2.
Seems like a silly thing for him to push back on. Really silly, in fact.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Sounds like the Gospel Doctrine lesson in my ward yesterday. I have the pleasure to be in primary so I missed out, but my wife said there was a heated discussion about who is able to receive these gifts of the spirit. She said the teacher didn't know what to do and tried to rein in the lesson to no avail.
Good times had by all.
Good times! gotta love when lessons get out of hand.
No kids in HS yet?
Don't know about celebrating the abuse of women, but plenty of rap out there celebrating drug use, abuse, how to work the system without getting caught etc.
The shiz HS'ers are exposed to these days is astounding. Doesn't seem to bother them so I don't get too worked up about it. Just part and parcel to their everyday lives nowadays.
“Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads.” -- Harry S. Truman
"You never soar so high as when you stoop down to help a child or an animal." -- Jewish Proverb
"Three-time Pro Bowler Eric Weddle the most versatile, and maybe most intelligent, safety in the game." -- SI, 9/7/15, p. 107.
The idea that humans could comprehend the nature of God to the point of taking sides or engaging in debate about it boggles my mind.
No disrespect intended.
σοφῷ ἀνδρὶ Ἑλλὰς πάντα.
-- Flavius Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 1.35.2.
Well, I spoke yesterday and I sort of tried number one, as I had volumes of paper printed off that I piled next to the podium but never used. I also had asked for a wireless headset (like one would wear while working the drive-thru at Burger King, you know what I mean, Rocker?) so I could rove and talk hands-free but had no such luck. I had also thought about not preparing a talk, going up there with my tablet which would contain my notes, only to have the tablet "die" on me so now I don't really have a talk to give and I'm just going to say whatever comes to mind. Our second counselor in the bishopric is a major techy, so I didn't think I would be able to pull off the fake tablet-crash.
As for the actual content, since it was my last Sunday in the ward and I had served as financial clerk for several years I decided to just list off the incomes of ward members, from most to least, based on my calculations from how much tithing they paid.
Well, it wasn't my intent to engage in such a debate. I was using it as a jumping off point for a larger discussion that the talk trends to regarding God's role in our lives. I fully admitted that I don't pretend to understand God at all...but from my point of view, I would think he would be conflicted at times. This brother disagreed and expressed his displeasure in what I was asking/suggesting for about 5-7 minutes. I wasn't offended by him, and I'm not offended by you...I'm clearly not high priest material! Shucks.
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Thats my point, and admittedly I am nitpicking her. There are no songs that "celebrate" drug ABUSE. Yes, PLENTY about Drug USE. I am still in my 20's so I am not too far removed the music of today.
One reason I said this seems silly to me is that a little open speculation is always part of good teaching, in my experience at least. So: "Now, this is just LA Ute's opinion, but to me it is comforting to know that God must understand what it is like to be unable to help our children when they are suffering." If someone wants to object to that naked expression of my opinion, fine; we'll just move on. It always amazes me when some people want to make a big deal out of such things.
Last edited by LA Ute; 04-29-2013 at 12:25 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Ha. I was more floored by someone contradicting the teacher on something so "unknowable" (to me).Well, it wasn't my intent to engage in such a debate. I was using it as a jumping off point for a larger discussion that the talk trends to regarding God's role in our lives. I fully admitted that I don't pretend to understand God at all...but from my point of view, I would think he would be conflicted at times. This brother disagreed and expressed his displeasure in what I was asking/suggesting for about 5-7 minutes. I wasn't offended by him, and I'm not offended by you...I'm clearly not high priest material! Shucks.
My incredulity was focused on your interlocutor.
You won't be HP material until you start getting grumpier. (not that I'm a HP - I'm not)
σοφῷ ἀνδρὶ Ἑλλὰς πάντα.
-- Flavius Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 1.35.2.
Yeah, that's what most people's reaction was to his objection...it was mostly like..."really"? Apparently he apologized to the EQ Pres...but not to me. lol.
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
I have never understood why people want to make a big deal out of things in lessons. As I mentioned above, when I disagree wtih something, I just tell my wife or if Im in priesthood, I just keep it to myself and move on.
It sounds like you did your best, and if I learned one thing in church this Sunday, it is that that is good enough. Fortunately though I learned two things.
I also learned about what it is like to go from a dentist who you perceive to be a good man, to a dentist who you believe is not a good man and how that can affect your entire life. Short answer: It is not good.
Whenever an old guy starts wanting to argue I just turn down their hearing aid... or up. Up is funny too.
So after reading all this, as a non LDS person, my biggest question is, you guys don't have wireless microphones????
We have one. They're kind of expensive, so I am guessing not many LDS congregations have them.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Every Protestant church in Salt Lake I've been to has had them for 10 years that's why I was surprised
The Presbyterians of Utah aren't exactly wealthy
There you go again, trying to minimize the scope of the worldwide Presbyterian conspiracy and the vast wealth underlying it.Every Protestant church in Salt Lake I've been to has had them for 10 years that's why I was surprised
The Presbyterians of Utah aren't exactly wealthy
In truth, I'll bet the Presbyterians don't have a centralized worldwide purchasing department that decides what equipment a congregation can have. Our wireless mic was donated by a member.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
That may be it. Presbyterian congregations (and most Protestant ones for that matter) rely solely on the donations of that churches members. Whether it be to pay the light bill, build a new building, pay the pastor or buy a wireless mic, the only money to do it with is that which is given by those who choose to go to church there.
There's no money, or purchasing, from on high so to speak haha
"And in those days many churches said 'Lo there is a Best Buy here, and 'Lo there is a Radio Shack there.'
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