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    2019-2020 Basketball efficiency thread

    Utah vs Nevada
    Utah 88-80 efficiency (79-70 win)

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    Not a lot to compare to yet but Utah had season highs and season lows in everything.


    Some key stats to look at, Utah took 9 less shots but teams were equal in makes.
    Utah was +7 on turnovers and -6 on assists
    2.83 assist to turnover by Nevada blew away Utah 0.85 ast/to (11 ast – 13 TO). That must improve


    If Utah cleans up the turnovers 1/6 possessions was a turnover
    Lucky for them, Nevada only shot 41% from the field.


    Next up Mississippi Valley State. I predict a 40+ blowout

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    Your statline has reversed steals and turnovers for Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Your statline has reversed steals and turnovers for Utah.
    Thanks, I too noticed that late after I posted. Fixed now.

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    Utah 216 Mississippi Valley St 22 (Utah 143-49)

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    I’m contemplating not even including these stats into the season averages just because of how skewed it all was


    Nobody played over 25 minutes, the two guys who played 23+ minutes got triple doubles.


    There were some negatives in this game. Mississippi Valley State had 8 offensive rebounds, 9 steals, 6 blocks and only 16 fouls. They also had 93 possessions.


    170 combined shots and 238 combined efficiency might blow the doors off the record books.


    The best stat of the day? Timmy Allen 8/8 from the free throw line. He was 7/14 vs Nevada. Brings his average up to 68.2%


    Not much else to say except Utah covered.


    Minnesota next Friday. Current numbers say Utah +8 in that game, maybe that win over Nevada will help. Minnesota plays Oklahoma today and at Butler on Tuesday. They might be tired going into JHMC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thrill View Post
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    I’m contemplating not even including these stats into the season averages just because of how skewed it all was


    Nobody played over 25 minutes, the two guys who played 23+ minutes got triple doubles.


    There were some negatives in this game. Mississippi Valley State had 8 offensive rebounds, 9 steals, 6 blocks and only 16 fouls. They also had 93 possessions.


    170 combined shots and 238 combined efficiency might blow the doors off the record books.


    The best stat of the day? Timmy Allen 8/8 from the free throw line. He was 7/14 vs Nevada. Brings his average up to 68.2%


    Not much else to say except Utah covered.


    Minnesota next Friday. Current numbers say Utah +8 in that game, maybe that win over Nevada will help. Minnesota plays Oklahoma today and at Butler on Tuesday. They might be tired going into JHMC.
    He got a huge cheer from the MUSS when he made his first free throw, and it gave him a chuckle at the line.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thrill View Post
    I’m contemplating not even including these stats into the season averages just because of how skewed it all was
    No, you have to include them. It was a real game with real stats!

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    4 players at 25+ has to be a record of some sort too.

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    I've never seen it for a Utah game....but they haven't scored over 120 in a long time.

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    Utah 88 Minnesota 74 (Utah won 73-69)

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    FYI, the far left column is the season ranking


    Oturo had a great game and really did everything he could to help Minnesota get back in the game.


    Honestly, every stat said Minnesota was poised to win this game except two categories, points and shooting %


    Utah shot 53.2% vs Minnesota 35.1%
    18.1% better from the field is usually good enough for a 20 point win, Utah won by 4
    Minnesota took 27 more shots than Utah did…27!
    Unfortunately for them they only made 1 more.


    Utah was +11 FTM / +12 FTA and one stat to note early in the season. Utah doesn’t foul.
    Utah has committed less fouls in every game
    Nevada +13
    MSVST +2
    Minnesota +5
    This translates to more free throws and Utah.
    Utah opponents average 5 FTM and 9 FTA per game
    Utah free throw average 16.7 FTM and 24.0 FTA (Nevada was a huge discrepancy)


    Minnesota shot and kept shooting, they were +12 on the offensive boards which is the one reason they kept this close. Minnesota collected 35.4% of all offensive rebound opportunities. That’s way too high.
    Minnesota was -11 on turnovers, which was due to being +9 on steals. Offensive boards, and steals kept Minnesota in the game. After the 16-0 start we all thought it was over, but not Minnesota.


    This was the slowest game of the season, only 136 possessions (185 in the MSVST game). 142 combined points was a season low, ahem Utah scored more 143 in their previous game.


    The only season high Utah garnered was 6 block shots. 3 by Carlson, 2 by Allen and 1 Gach.
    Utah was a bit lucky to pull this game out but the huge positive is this young team found a way to dig deep and fight out a win. That experience goes a long ways.


    Next up… the Myrtle Beach Invitational

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thrill View Post
    Minnesota shot and kept shooting, they were +12 on the offensive boards which is the one reason they kept this close. Minnesota collected 35.4% of all offensive rebound opportunities. That’s way too high.
    The offensive rebound disparity was clear all game long. We should be able to do better there.

    Thanks for posting the bracket. Baylor's gonna be tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Baylor's gonna be tough.
    This post didn't age well...

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    Coastal Carolina 93 Utah 50 (CCU won 79-57)

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    Gach did not have a good game. 2/11 and 0/5 from three puts him at a -3 efficiency
    Nobody really had a good game…unless you’re a Chanticleer fan.


    #3, #4 and #5 performances against Utah all came in tonight’s game. Those 3 players Dibba, Jones and Brewton beat the entire Utah team. Brewton went 6/9 from deep.


    Utah allowed 29 made shots (avg 26.0 allowed). 10/16 from the free throw line were both season highs for Utah opponent. 29 defensive boards and 41 total rebounds, also season highs. Utah gave up 6 blocks, 45.3% from the field and 45.8% from deep. All season highs. One good thing is Coastal Carolina had a season low 41.4% assists per shot, that just means guys were creating and scoring, winning one on ones.


    Utah had a season low 19 shots made (57 made shots vs MSVST) and only 5 made three point shots. Utah had a season low of 28 defensive rebounds and only 9 assists. Avg 39 defensive rebounds and 18.3 assists. Only 1 block (season low), 57 points (season low 88.0 avg) 50 efficiency (season low 110.5 avg). 33.3% shooting (season low), 17.9% from deep (season low) 56% free throws (season low) and only 67 possessions (season low). Needless to say, this game was a season low.


    Utah was +4 on offensive boards and +3 total rebounds but that’s mostly because they were -12% shooting (season low). CCU was +28% better from deep. That’s huge. +6 from three pointers made is 18 points. Couple that with -3 possessions and +4 turnovers and Utah just lost this game all over the place. I blame this on a long road trip and a very young team.


    The teams did combine for a season high 28 offensive rebounds (season high). Everything else was pretty slow. 136 points, 121 shots, 21 assists, and 39.7% combined shooting were all season lows.


    Not much else to say other than Utah showed their inexperience. Hopefully this game sticks in their memory of how not to play going ahead.


    Next up…Ohio. The Bobcats have lost 2 in a row vs ranked teams and they weren’t even close. They are 3-2 overall with 3 snooze games to open the season. Utah should be favored in the -10 to -14 range.

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    The game is on ESPNU tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    The game is on ESPNU tonight.
    I think it is on ESPNews.
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    Utah 88 Ohio 60 (Utah won 80-66)

    The battle of the four letter words

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    Utah was back to form vs Ohio


    Held the Bobcats to 28 rebounds and only 10 offensive boards. 18 defensive rebounds was a season low for Utah opponent. 9 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks…also season lows for Utah opponent.
    Utah’s free throw defense was at its worst though 12/15 80% (season high). 67 possessions tied the season low for a Utah opponent.


    As for Utah, 96.4% from the line 27/28. Makes and % both season highs. This was a slow game so Utah’s attempts and rebounds were low but the big difference was rebounding. Utah was -8 on fouls and +15/+13 from the stripe. Difference of the game.


    The teams combined for 39 made free throws (season high) and 90.7% from the line. Other than that everything else was season lows due to the slow pace of play.


    Utah will face Tulane tomorrow morning. Early 8:30 am tipoff in Utah. I have Utah by 21 in that game for the 5th place game. Utah should go 2-1 in the tournament, not the 2-1 everybody expected but 2-1 nonetheless.

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    Tulane 68 Utah 66 (Tulane won 65-61)

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    This was a slow, ugly 8:30am game. 64 possessions was a season low.


    Utah held Tulane to only 21 three point attempts (season low), they only picked up 17 defensive boards and 25 total rebounds (both season lows) and only 1 block (another season low) but Utah allowed 45.6% from the field (season high) and 85.7% from the line (also a season high)


    Utah on the other hand had season lows in free throws 8/11, defensive boards 23 and a season high in turnovers (20). 13 fouls was a season low and ended up costing them at the end of the game when they had to foul 4 times just to stop the clock.


    Nothing really stands out in this game except the 25 fouls combined (12 under the season average)
    Both teams shot a combined 46.7% which was a season high. The 128 possessions was 20 under the season average for a Utah game.


    NOTE : In both losses, Both Gach scored a -3 PER. In the one win, +16. He literally can make or break this team.


    Below are the season totals 1/5 of the season in.
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    Utah 95 UC Davis 73 (Utah won 77-73)

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    Pretty slow game overall. UC Davis only had 54 shot attempts (-10 Utah opponent avg)
    17 three point attempts was also a season low.
    UC Davis only had 24 rebounds (season low) and didn’t get their first rebound until 11 minute mark
    3 steals was a season low.
    Although, Utah allowed 48.1% shooting, season high and 52.9% 9/17 from deep.


    Utah on the other hand had a season low 62 possessions (71 is avg)
    Season low in shots (45), offensive boards (4), rebounds (29) and offensive rebound opportunities (21.1%) - 30% is the goal, season average is 33.5%


    Teams combined for 52.5% shooting 52/99 and 50% from deep 19/38, although many of those came in the last couple minutes by the Aggies.


    Rylan Jones season assist to turnover is 2.5 ast per TO, leads the team.
    Jones is 20/22 on the season from the line, 90.9% (leads team)
    Timmy Allen leads the team in 10/22 categories. (Mins, FGM, FGA, FTM, FTA, DefR, Rebs, Pts, PER and Pts/Min)
    Brenchley is 11/22 on the season from deep. 50% leads the team.


    Next up…Them.

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    Utah 111 BYU 96 (Utah won 102-95 OT)

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    Toolson and Childs played an awesome game. The reason Utah won this game wasn’t because of the refs (sorry Zoobs) it wasn’t because of Childs’ conditioning…it was because of Utah’s depth. BYU came out blazing with Childs dropping threes and being the aggressor. Eventually, that wore off. Between Toolson and Childs they had 30% of the minutes and 67% of their efficiency. Haws was miserable. 2/7 shooting and 5 turnovers plus he fouled out.


    Haws -2
    Jones +28
    Ballgame!


    Despite all the complaining about fouls, BYU put up a season high in free throws made and attempted for a Utah opponnent. 13/17 (season avg 8.5/12.1). BYU did have a season high 20 turnovers, that’s not the refs. 2:9 possessions was a turnover for BYU (season high). 29 personal fouls tied the season high for a Utah opponent (Nevada).


    Utah on the other hand only shot 24/31 from the line, not even close to their season high but above their average (17.3/23.3 avg). Utah had a season low 11 turnovers and high 10 steals (again…not the refs fault). Utah failed miserably on the offensive rebounding opportunities. Only 14.8% were obtained 4 offensive boards out of 27 opportunities (season low). Utah also had a season low of assist per shot at 40.5%. BYU did a good job of being the aggressor on defense, the downside to that is they were penalized with fouls. Utah became the aggressor on offense late in the second half about the same time as BYU’s lack of depth began to show. Utah was -9 on turnovers (season high) and +6 for steals (season high).


    The teams combined for 48 free throws (12 of which came in overtime) and 197 points (both season highs for a Utah game) but they also combined for 55.8% shooting 72/129.


    Changing point in the game was at the 0:31 mark…the missed lay-up from Jones. Utah was ready to go up 85-84 and had all the momentum. Jones fell to the ground in a move that I can only assume was to summon all the strength of Majerus and Misaka to finish the game in Utah folklore forever.


    After that point, Rylan Jones nailed a 26’ three to tie the game at 86 and picked up the rebound to end regulation. A crazy shot at 3:22 in overtime put Utah up 90-88, then a great pass and assist to Allen to put Utah up 92-88, another jumper by Jones at 1:53 to put Utah up 94-88. Jantunen then got an assist from Jones at 1:16 to go up 96-90. Jones then fouled the worst free throw shooter I’ve ever seen at BYU (Evan Troy) and he clanked two off the side of the rim. Jones then was fouled twice and sank all 4 free throws to go up 100-93.


    I hope the missed lay-up from 1’ will live in Jones subconscious for at least the next 4 years and he burns with the fire of Utes in the past for Ute greatness. Time will tell.


    Next up…Central Arkansas. Utah is a 92% favorite to win.

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    Utah 126 Central Arkansas 53 (Utah won 98-67)

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    Timmy Allen is a stud.
    7 of Allen’s 9 games rank in the top 11 games for Utah
    Tied the season high 29 PER yesterday.

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    4 players score over 20 PER for 40 minutes
    Allen 26.7
    Jones 21.1
    Jantunen 20.4
    Battin 20.2


    Jantunen averaging the least of minutes of the 4 at 20.9 minutes per game.
    Below are my player rankings and where they were last week

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    Central Arkansas only shot 3/15 from deep, season low allowed for Utah.
    Central Arkansas also had a season low 7 assists and a high 22 turnovers. .32 ast/to is a season low (Utah allows 0.91 asst/to)
    Central Arkansas also had 2 turnovers per 7 turnovers (season high). Utah average is 1:6


    Utah on the other hand had a season low 8 turnovers (avg 13.3) and steals 11 (avg 5.2)
    They reached a turnover per possession high of 1:9 possessions (average 1:6)
    Utah was +15 in three point attempts and -14 on turnovers
    +7 steals and +5 blocks (all season highs)


    This game had a season high 15 steals (Utah 11 CentArk 4)


    Side note, here’s the story on Sikiru “SK” Shittu, a really cool story out of Central Arkansas.

    https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/...beat-20180203/


    Hopefully Rylan Jones will be ok, took a big shot to the ribs. Diagnosis was a rib contusion, 3-7 days recovery but easily reaggravated.

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