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    Never again will I choose the Lobos on my bracket

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    Here's a tip. ALWAYS pick against the MWC. It's horribly overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Just like Dave Winfield was Mr. May in George Steinbrenner's eyes, the MWC is Mr. December in college hoops. I'm through defending that league until it does something in the tournament.

    (As soon as I say that, watch Colorado State beat Louisville and destroy half the brackets in the country.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Just like Dave Winfield was Mr. May in George Steinbrenner's eyes, the MWC is Mr. December in college hoops. I'm through defending that league until it does something in the tournament.

    (As soon as I say that, watch Colorado State beat Louisville and destroy half the brackets in the country.)
    I fell into the trap of saying the MWC deserved respect this year. I will never listen to another complaint from the MWC about not getting respect until they prove something. Look at the Pac-12 this year. They got no respect. The 2nd place team in the league and the conference tournament champ got a 12 seed. It was a huge slight. The Ducks proved they got screwed by going out and dominating a 5 seed. Cal's seed was also a joke and they went out and proved it. I suspect that Arizona will prove that they deserved more than a 6 seed.
    So I said to David Eckstein, "You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    I fell into the trap of saying the MWC deserved respect this year. I will never listen to another complaint from the MWC about not getting respect until they prove something. Look at the Pac-12 this year. They got no respect. The 2nd place team in the league and the conference tournament champ got a 12 seed. It was a huge slight. The Ducks proved they got screwed by going out and dominating a 5 seed. Cal's seed was also a joke and they went out and proved it. I suspect that Arizona will prove that they deserved more than a 6 seed.
    I'm interested to see what UCLA does today. They've been the popular upset pick vs. Minnesota...but I bet they come ready to play. And I think the Buffs can beat Illinois as well. 5-0 in the first round would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I don't know if beating Belmont and then Harvard proves anything. Arizona had some great wins...in 2012. They finished 2-6 in the conference against tournament opposition (with one of those wins on a bad call vs CU). I think a 6 seed was appropriate.

    In general, outperforming your seeding doesn't necessarily mean the committee got it wrong.

    With Oregon, though, the committee got it wrong, and everyone knew it even before the "upset" yesterday.
    Arizona will destroy Harvard. They've got too much size inside and Harvard's M.O. to beat UNM was too simple. I can't believe UNM allowed Harvard to do whatever it wanted offensively. While Arizona does a bad job at defending the 3, which is Harvard's strength, I think for one game with little time in between, that Sean Miller can devise an effective gameplan to limit Harvard's looks from the outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I'm interested to see what UCLA does today. They've been the popular upset pick vs. Minnesota...but I bet they come ready to play. And I think the Buffs can beat Illinois as well. 5-0 in the first round would be nice.
    On the flip side, I've seen few people on the Illinois bandwagon. It would be so Pac-12 to go 1-1 today, with UCLA winning and CU losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I'm interested to see what UCLA does today. They've been the popular upset pick vs. Minnesota...but I bet they come ready to play. And I think the Buffs can beat Illinois as well. 5-0 in the first round would be nice.
    Biggest concern with UCLA is they are playing a Tubby Smith team. Smith is a fantastic coach and I would always be concerned about his ability to gameplan his team to a win.
    So I said to David Eckstein, "You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
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    I think you are going to see more than Arizona beating Harvard. I think they are an elite 8 and potential final 4 team.
    So I said to David Eckstein, "You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I don't know if beating Belmont and then Harvard proves anything. Arizona had some great wins...in 2012. They finished 2-6 in the conference against tournament opposition (with one of those wins on a bad call vs CU). I think a 6 seed was appropriate.

    In general, outperforming your seeding doesn't necessarily mean the committee got it wrong.

    With Oregon, though, the committee got it wrong, and everyone knew it even before the "upset" yesterday.
    Yeah Oregon was not seeded correctly. The committee had an issue with both Cal and Oregon I believe on the S curve they were both 11 seeds but because UCLA and Arizona were 6 seeds they had to bump them down to avoid a Pac 12 match-up in the first round. Oregon and Cal both have 5 seeds now so you could make the argument that their seeding is working out well for them. I think their seed is much better than being an 8 or a 9. I guess you could argue that they should have been a 10 seeds and I would not argue it too much.
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    I know there are differing opinions on this, but I am cheering for all the PAC-12 teams to win in the tournament, and enjoying their successes. There's something different about that in the PAC-12, for me at least. I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I don't see how UCLA wins without their starting PG. That's not a replaceable position.
    Ugh, I forgot about that when I was doing brackets. I'm hosed

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I know there are differing opinions on this, but I am cheering for all the PAC-12 teams to win in the tournament, and enjoying their successes. There's something different about that in the PAC-12, for me at least. I like it.
    Totally agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I'm interested to see what UCLA does today. They've been the popular upset pick vs. Minnesota...but I bet they come ready to play. And I think the Buffs can beat Illinois as well. 5-0 in the first round would be nice.
    It depends on which UCLA team shows up. Losing Adams really hurt though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I know there are differing opinions on this, but I am cheering for all the PAC-12 teams to win in the tournament, and enjoying their successes. There's something different about that in the PAC-12, for me at least. I like it.
    I am with you on this. I'm finding myself rooting for all of the P12 teams.

    I guess the honeymoon isn't quite over yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I am with you on this. I'm finding myself rooting for all of the P12 teams.

    I guess the honeymoon isn't quite over yet.
    I was conflicted with Oregon-OSU. The opposite side of my bracket ... err ... family is doused in orange and black. But I also knew that Oregon was the better coached team and highly underrated in seeding. My MIL deserves massive props for observing this on Selection Sunday.

    I'm not into the whole Pac-12 Brotherhood thing just yet. I wanted UNLV to beat Cal.

    Was glad to see Arizona beat Belmont, although the talking heads and squares sure were on the Belmont bandwagon.

    Evidence I'm Buying Into the Pac-12 Brotherhood: I want UCLA to destroy Minnesota and CU likewise against Illinois. If you ever catch me rooting for a Big 10 team against a Pac-12 team, go ahead and revoke my Ute Fan Card right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    They are all in "rootable" matchups. If Arizona were playing a normal 14 seed, I would surely be pulling for the upset. But who cares about snooty Harvard? Oklahoma State? Illinois? UNLV? Minnesota? Belmont is the only first round Pac-12 opponent that you could really cheer for as a Cinderella. I will be pulling for St Louis over Oregon, partly for Majerus, partly for mid-major fun, and partly because I hate the way Dana Altman looked when Oregon beat us.
    I admit. I will be conflicted with the SLU/Oregon matchup. I can totally see myself leaning towards SLU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I admit. I will be conflicted with the SLU/Oregon matchup. I can totally see myself leaning towards SLU.
    My own PAC-12 love will wane as teams get deeper into their brackets. I mainly want to avoid embarrassments for the conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    and partly because I hate the way Dana Altman looked when Oregon beat us.
    I missed something I guess, was there something offensive done here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I missed something I guess, was there something offensive done here?
    Yep. Kansas-born and bred Dana Altman got up in our shizz and went all Disco Ritchie McKay on us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I missed something I guess, was there something offensive done here?
    Yeah, just look at this. What a jerk!

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    In your honor, HFS, I will be cheering for the Quackers. I know you'll do the same when our positions are reversed, if both of us are still alive at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    I fell into the trap of saying the MWC deserved respect this year. I will never listen to another complaint from the MWC about not getting respect until they prove something. Look at the Pac-12 this year. They got no respect. The 2nd place team in the league and the conference tournament champ got a 12 seed. It was a huge slight. The Ducks proved they got screwed by going out and dominating a 5 seed. Cal's seed was also a joke and they went out and proved it. I suspect that Arizona will prove that they deserved more than a 6 seed.
    What do you mean? It has gotten more respect than it deserved. The MWC's seeds have been ridiculously inflated and it's gotten more invitations than it deserves now for at least two years. You'd think from the seeding the MWC is a lot better conference than the Pac 12. I'm sure there's a conspiracy.

    EDIT: Two years in a row now a low seeded Pac 12 team has handled a grossly overseeded UNLV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Just like Dave Winfield was Mr. May in George Steinbrenner's eyes, the MWC is Mr. December in college hoops. I'm through defending that league until it does something in the tournament.

    (As soon as I say that, watch Colorado State beat Louisville and destroy half the brackets in the country.)
    I think Eustachy just freakishly understood a Big 12 team after all those seasons there. CSU is going to get dismembered by Louisville. It's going to be messy.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

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    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

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    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I know there are differing opinions on this, but I am cheering for all the PAC-12 teams to win in the tournament, and enjoying their successes. There's something different about that in the PAC-12, for me at least. I like it.
    I normally cheer against the Ducks, but not in this tournament. However, Oregon vs. St. Louis is killing me. I've adopted St. Louis for this tournament and have them losing to G'town in the title game. Oh well, whatever happens in that St. Louis-Oregon game will be bittersweet.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

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    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

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    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

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    I was wrong
    I was wrong
    I was wrong
    I was wrong
    I was wrong.

    But I won't be wrong again. It was a lot easier to take when expectations were lower. Losing was acceptable because UNM had almost always lost when it really counted. You didn't have visions of greatness, only to have them dashed. After the pitiful performance UNM put up against a team that doesn't even offer scholarships, I've given up. Having all five starters back next season means nothing on a team that can just disappear like that. I'd be back to wondering when it would collapse, have a terrible game and lose to an inferior team again.

    No, I've had it. I've been to my last Lobo basketball game after covering the team for much of the last 33 years.

    Good-bye Lobo basketball.

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    I'm glad that guy isn't anything related to Utah.

    You don't just give up on your team after 33 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavaUte View Post
    I'm glad that guy isn't anything related to Utah.

    You don't just give up on your team after 33 years
    The two best teams in Lobo history choked in the first round. The other one was Norm Ellenberger's team in 1978 with Michael Cooper and Marvin Johnson (finished 15-1 in the WAC ahead of Vranes/Judkins/Chamber Matheney Utes at 14-2) that lost to Fresno State.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

    --Albert Einstein

    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

    --Richard Dawkins

    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

    --Philo

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    The two best teams in Lobo history choked in the first round. The other one was Norm Ellenberger's team in 1978 with Michael Cooper and Marvin Johnson that lost to Fresno State.
    I know that NM sucks in the tourney, but to completely turn your back on them after 33 years? That is zoob of the first degree

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavaUte View Post
    I know that NM sucks in the tourney, but to completely turn your back on them after 33 years? That is zoob of the first degree
    :eyeroll:

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