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    Who are your favorite local media members? How about least favorite?

    For me, Im a fan of Tony Jones, Bill Riley, and Jeremiah Jensen.

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    I like David James. It's too bad he's not been able to dump his moldy scab of a co-host. I actually think DJ has a good mix of a real passionate sports fan with a knack for objectivity, and in this market has been able to stay neutral in the BYU/Utah tug o' war.

    I also like Hans Olsen. I was skeptical of him given his Y roots, but he really is a knowledgeable guy and a fun personality.

    Also, I'll throw some props to Bolerjack. I think he's lost a step from his heyday at KSL and Sports Beat. But he really is a good talent and a pretty likeable guy. It's too bad he had to kiss so much BYU butt while at KSL.

    Maybe this is my place to send some love to Hot Rod Hundley. He was a crazy drunk, but he was OUR crazy drunk. Following the Jazz just hasn't been the same with him gone.

    I'm neutral on Spence Checketts, but I think he's trending the wrong way for me.

    On the other end of the spectrum, PK is an absolute joke to the industry. I don't know how he hangs on.

    I'm starting to sour on Monsen. I used to like him, but he just seems tired, and old, and cranky in the last few years. It's not that he hates the U or the Y, he just seems to be tired of the whole Utah market and everything in it. It's like he needs to move on for a fresh start, but he won't or can't. He just seems to have an utter disdain for the whole thing.

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    I think the best writer has been Doug Robinson of the Desnews. But I don't think he writes sports any longer, does he.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I think the best writer has been Doug Robinson of the Desnews. But I don't think he writes sports any longer, does he.
    Once in a while, but I doubt he puts much work into it, as based on this piece last week on Fredette.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...te.html?pg=all

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    I really enjoy Jay Drews work. I read him when I am looking for BYU stuff. Everyone else who covers BYU around here (Wrubell, Sheperd, harmon, Call, etc. etc) is a die-hard BYU fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    I really enjoy Jay Drews work. I read him when I am looking for BYU stuff. Everyone else who covers BYU around here (Wrubell, Sheperd, harmon, Call, etc. etc) is a die-hard BYU fan.
    I'd say Drew has become a BYU fan if he wasn't one. I find his stuff to be almost like it was written by BYU's SID a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by FountainOfUte View Post
    I like David James. It's too bad he's not been able to dump his moldy scab of a co-host. I actually think DJ has a good mix of a real passionate sports fan with a knack for objectivity, and in this market has been able to stay neutral in the BYU/Utah tug o' war.

    I also like Hans Olsen. I was skeptical of him given his Y roots, but he really is a knowledgeable guy and a fun personality.

    Also, I'll throw some props to Bolerjack. I think he's lost a step from his heyday at KSL and Sports Beat. But he really is a good talent and a pretty likeable guy. It's too bad he had to kiss so much BYU butt while at KSL.

    Maybe this is my place to send some love to Hot Rod Hundley. He was a crazy drunk, but he was OUR crazy drunk. Following the Jazz just hasn't been the same with him gone.

    I'm neutral on Spence Checketts, but I think he's trending the wrong way for me.

    On the other end of the spectrum, PK is an absolute joke to the industry. I don't know how he hangs on.

    I'm starting to sour on Monsen. I used to like him, but he just seems tired, and old, and cranky in the last few years. It's not that he hates the U or the Y, he just seems to be tired of the whole Utah market and everything in it. It's like he needs to move on for a fresh start, but he won't or can't. He just seems to have an utter disdain for the whole thing.
    I agree with all that you said. Monson has become a joke. Hes about stirring the pot more than commenting on the news. Spence is ok sometimes. I REALLY miss the Bill and Spence show..........

    Agree completely on DJ and PK. I havent listened to them in a while, I prefer Dan Patrick.

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    The last two posts are spot on. We love our Utes, but they don't define/rule our lives. They are a part of of lives.

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    so wilson gets approved for Non-contact spring ball and the two idiots DJ and PK would rather continue to flirt with each other and talk about themselves or byu's impressive schedule next year. Then they got all giddy when the news of jimmer getting bought out. And still no travis wilson talk. REALLY???

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    I begin my tale with this story by Brad Rock, comparing Kodiak's statement that Utah plans to win the PAC-12 tournament to Bronco Mendenhall's statement that BYU planned to win a national championship.

    Brad Rock: Whether it's Utah's Larry Krystkowiak or BYU's Bronco Mendenhall, thinking big is OK

    It was late at night, and I was in a snarky mood, so I submitted this comment:

    Lol. What Bronco said has nothing to do with what Larry said. It's so predictable that a comparison would be drawn, however. Ridiculous, too. Apples are apples, oranges are oranges.
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    I really can't tell which of the 12 standards I violated. Any ideas? Anyway, I took a breath and submitted a much more milquetoast version:

    Seems to me that Coach Krystkowiak's and Coach Mendenhall's comments are like apples and oranges -- the context for each was completely different. The comparison seems very strained. I don't understand why some in the Salt Lake media seem continually to look for reasons to compare various aspects of Utah athletics with BYU athletics.
    This comment was accepted. Rock's article was still a weird mash of ideas the like of which I doubt I'd see in any other sports media market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I begin my tale with this story by Brad Rock, comparing Kodiak's statement that Utah plans to win the PAC-12 tournament to Bronco Mendenhall's statement that BYU planned to win a national championship.

    Brad Rock: Whether it's Utah's Larry Krystkowiak or BYU's Bronco Mendenhall, thinking big is OK

    It was late at night, and I was in a snarky mood, so I submitted this comment:



    To my surprise, I received this email the next morning:

    Dear ****,




    I really can't tell which of the 12 standards I violated. Any ideas? Anyway, I took a breath and submitted a much more milquetoast version:



    This comment was accepted. Rock's article was still a weird mash of ideas the like of which I doubt I'd see in any other sports media market.

    My guess is that they knew you were disparaging someone, somehow, but they weren't sure who or how so they just rejected it.

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    1320 launched a new local morning show this morning as Tim Montemayor, of the afternoon Monty and Gunther show, moved to mornings.

    I listened to a little bit of it on my way in this morning, and I think it has promise.

    PK's pot stirring schtick gets wearing at times, so it is nice to hear someone who will discuss the issues from an objective perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    1320 launched a new local morning show this morning as Tim Montemayor, of the afternoon Monty and Gunther show, moved to mornings.

    I listened to a little bit of it on my way in this morning, and I think it has promise.

    PK's pot stirring schtick gets wearing at times, so it is nice to hear someone who will discuss the issues from an objective perspective.
    How many times did Monty troll about firing Kyle Whittingham in the time you listened? Eight? Twelve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UBlender View Post
    How many times did Monty troll about firing Kyle Whittingham in the time you listened? Eight? Twelve?

    I listened for a couple of minutes on my way to work. It was all BYU spring ball all the time, so he didnt mention Wittingham once. I had enjoyed flipping between Dan Patrick and John Feinstein in the morning; couldnt tell if they are keeping Feinstein on 1230; hope they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UBlender View Post
    How many times did Monty troll about firing Kyle Whittingham in the time you listened? Eight? Twelve?
    Lol. I didn't hear any particular calls in the segment I listened to, but your point is valid.

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    Swinney and OC on ESPN 700 in the afternoons are amazing. Everything they talk about end ups morphing into Utah talk. It has been fantastic. Listen to these guys. Prove them right, that Utah fans are a force in the market, but they just need an outlet to find Utah news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    Swinney and OC on ESPN 700 in the afternoons are amazing. Everything they talk about end ups morphing into Utah talk. It has been fantastic. Listen to these guys. Prove them right, that Utah fans are a force in the market, but they just need an outlet to find Utah news.
    I agree. I've really enjoyed them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    Swinney and OC on ESPN 700 in the afternoons are amazing. Everything they talk about end ups morphing into Utah talk. It has been fantastic. Listen to these guys. Prove them right, that Utah fans are a force in the market, but they just need an outlet to find Utah news.
    I really wish the 700 app would host podcasts as well. Having an app that only streams live is pretty silly. Especially since the website is a bit of mess on mobile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    I really wish the 700 app would host podcasts as well. Having an app that only streams live is pretty silly. Especially since the website is a bit of mess on mobile.
    There are podcasts. I listen to them every day. Just search for the Bill Riley show and also the new O'Connnell - Swinney show. If you're not interested in what you are hearing, you can simply fast forward to something that does interest you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    I really wish the 700 app would host podcasts as well. Having an app that only streams live is pretty silly. Especially since the website is a bit of mess on mobile.
    This. I have them load up on my phone automatically every night. I have an iPhone and listen through the podcast app.

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    I was thinking about who 1280 might scoop up from 1320.

    If they could find a producer with the personality to keep them wrangled, Gunther's wild man act combined with Hans's straight man act could be a duo right out of the Odd Couple. Plus, their combined football analysis would own college football around here.

    It could be awesome, or it could be a train wreck. LOL

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    Swinney put his thoughts together.

    http://www.scout.com/college/utah/st...ost-for-a-year

    Also, it looks like 1430 KLO has picked up Rome. KLO is the home of some second and third tier right wing political shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Swinney put his thoughts together.

    http://www.scout.com/college/utah/st...ost-for-a-year

    Also, it looks like 1430 KLO has picked up Rome. KLO is the home of some second and third tier right wing political shows.
    I liked listening to Swinney a lot. He is right--he was informed and articulate. and provided a lot of info and insight re the U. Same with Ben Anderson on 1320. Clearly I am in the vast minority.

    Tom Hackett and OC are impossible to listen to, so I dont try any more. It is now just a goofy clown show.

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    My theory is that sports writers are now mostly judged on the number of hits an article can generate. If you can incorporate Coack K and Bronco in a single article you can inevitably generate more hits than if you just focus on one fan base or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I begin my tale with this story by Brad Rock, comparing Kodiak's statement that Utah plans to win the PAC-12 tournament to Bronco Mendenhall's statement that BYU planned to win a national championship.

    Brad Rock: Whether it's Utah's Larry Krystkowiak or BYU's Bronco Mendenhall, thinking big is OK

    It was late at night, and I was in a snarky mood, so I submitted this comment:



    To my surprise, I received this email the next morning:

    Dear ****,




    I really can't tell which of the 12 standards I violated. Any ideas? Anyway, I took a breath and submitted a much more milquetoast version:



    This comment was accepted. Rock's article was still a weird mash of ideas the like of which I doubt I'd see in any other sports media market.
    Stuff like this absolutely kills me. The Deseret News loves to boast about how they use moderators so that their comment section can be a place for a positive discussion. having been a fan of comment sections, I can tell you that I have yet to find a bigger cesspool of trolls than the Deseret News. And it is exactly what you mentioned. Comments that are benign are denied with no explanation. Comments that even a third grader could tell are blatantly inflammatory are posted and remain despite being reported.

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    Speaking of Monty on 1320, I had an interesting interaction with him on twitter. To summarize:

    Me: Why are Ute fans arguing with Monty? This guy is so delusional, he believes KFAN has the top rated afternoon drive time show.
    Monthy (to me): You obviously have no idea what youre talking about! Youre ignorant! We are #1!
    Me: (to monty): So arbitron is wrong?
    Monty: *crickets*

    In fact, arbitron shows that KFAN has about half the audience of the zone. and also less than ESPN 700.

    If you go through Monty's time line on twitter, its pretty obvious that he is an antics guy who is all about sensationalizing things to drive ratings. No thanks. I'll stick to guys with an established audience who talk sports and give real opinion, not slobbering lunatics who are trying anything to get an audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Speaking of Monty on 1320, I had an interesting interaction with him on twitter. To summarize:

    Me: Why are Ute fans arguing with Monty? This guy is so delusional, he believes KFAN has the top rated afternoon drive time show.
    Monthy (to me): You obviously have no idea what youre talking about! Youre ignorant! We are #1!
    Me: (to monty): So arbitron is wrong?
    Monty: *crickets*

    In fact, arbitron shows that KFAN has about half the audience of the zone. and also less than ESPN 700.

    If you go through Monty's time line on twitter, its pretty obvious that he is an antics guy who is all about sensationalizing things to drive ratings. No thanks. I'll stick to guys with an established audience who talk sports and give real opinion, not slobbering lunatics who are trying anything to get an audience.
    Unless you actually subscribe to Arbitron, the numbers you see online are for one ratings survey, and while it tells part of the story, it doesn't tell the entire story. Stations have to pay thousands of dollars annually for access to the entire batch of data, and Monty's not going to share whatever numbers he has with the general public.

    You can say what you want about Monty's show or style -- I've never listened and only give him cursory attention on Twitter. However, I'd stay away from getting into industry arguments with him, or any other radio professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Unless you actually subscribe to Arbitron, the numbers you see online are for one ratings survey, and while it tells part of the story, it doesn't tell the entire story. Stations have to pay thousands of dollars annually for access to the entire batch of data, and Monty's not going to share whatever numbers he has with the general public.

    You can say what you want about Monty's show or style -- I've never listened and only give him cursory attention on Twitter. However, I'd stay away from getting into industry arguments with him, or any other radio professional.
    I get that. At the same time, I have asked radio professionals for the numbers and was told that I could approach them at a remote event and they would show me anything I wanted. I did just that and Montys claim is simply not true, or close to it.

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    The last 2 days Riley and OC have been talking BYU football more than Utah football. Boring. Yesterday more than half of a Reese Davis interview was about BYU, as Reese promoted Thursday's game. If I want that stuff I can go to the DNews.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    The last 2 days Riley and OC have been talking BYU football more than Utah football. Boring. Yesterday more than half of a Reese Davis interview was about BYU, as Reese promoted Thursday's game. If I want that stuff I can go to the DNews.
    The thing that has disappointed me the last couple of days is that they have gone with the lazy "do you miss the rivalry game? tweet your thoughts here!" approach. At this point, that is a dead horse. Some miss it. Some don't. Rivalry week means a big bump for the local STR folks, and so of course they want it (they also blatantly misrepresent how much outrage there is over it not being played).

    If I want to listen to a show where the host just mails it in on topics like that, Ill turn the dial to Monson, who hasn't put any serious thought into his show in a decade.

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