To answer your first question, no there is not. I would counter by saying that all the knowledge in the world is irrelevant if you don't bother preparing and wing it (confirmed by too many people now to really argue) or worse blatantly make stuff up.Originally Posted by Sullyute
It's real easy to fall into the trap of winging it. Especially in the summer in a non-MLB city, where nobody really cares about the "news of the day," everyone's counting the days to football, and even misinformed football talk is better than no football talk. You can get away with it then. What wrinkles my brow is how someone as ill-prepared as Gunther hasn't been totally exposed in what I've long considered to be an over-saturated market. (Actually, that was a rhetorical question -- I know the answer: They get better jobs elsewhere, like Ian Furniss, for example).
When it comes to the non-prep and making stuff-up accusations, is that in regards to other sports or recruiting? He seems to be very prepared on Utah and PAC12 football. I am admittedly one of the least knowledgeable regarding sports on this board, so I would like to know if I am being misinformed. I am not trying to be combative, I truly value your opinion on this.
Swinney, having done 50 shows with Gunther over the years says that Kyle uses the Phil Steele guide for his takes. So while you may not be getting made up info about college football as a whole, it appears he doesn't try to keep up to date. Even here among the Utes, I don't get the impression that he has deep connections on the team, nor does he ever break any news.
Both Ben and Gunther make stuff up about the NBA and while I have low expectations of Kyle, it disappoints me when Ben does it. They like to pull what I call a Peter Vecsey maneuver........"This player seems like he would be a good fit to me for the Jazz, and therefore they will try to sign him or trade for him." Obviously, that is not how things work and they did it throughout the draft/offseason.
From my observations, what makes KG so unpopular at least here on the internet is that he has breathtakingly thin skin. Oh you disagree with him? Well, it doesn't matter because you didn't play for 4 years and so he is right and you are wrong by default. By the way, you're now blocked from his twitter feed for this outrage. Oh you are skeptical about something he said? Well here is a DM trashing you and calling you names and again, youre wrong because he played 4 years at Utah and youre also blocked. He is very weak at making an argument. In his mind, he can say whatever he wants and his "career" is all the back up he needs. Certainly, a 4 year career means a lot, but its not even close to a trump card.
UMS, thanks for the detailed response. I can see how those issues can rub some people the wrong way.
Our old pal, the quote tweeting machine Tony Jones is leaving the sl trib. Bill Riley tweeted something like "woah! I had no idea... *wink emoji*" Tony to ESPN 700?
It would be a great move by Tony, a pre-emptive strike of sorts against a future layoff, either at the Trib or another newspaper. But his experience with Utah sports was short and he's been with the Jazz for several years. What would Riley bring him in to do?
For weeks I've been seeing whispers that The Athletic was going to get someone in SLC to cover the Jazz and local colleges. I think Tony would make a lot of sense in that role. My bet is that Bill Riley knew about these same whispers and that is what is happening.
I hate that site. Pay a monthly fee to read some dude's power rankings? No thanks.
Yeah. It's a lot more than that.
I used to read all those guys. Every article. The thing that you notice once they start charging money is that they really weren't adding to your understanding. I know as much (or little) as I did before. The difference is that I have more time because I don't read as many articles. There's just no way I'm going to spend money on stuff I can get for free.
Interesting to see Dolce suddenly becoming a twitter warrior after almost never doing social media when he was on the broadcast team
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I heard Jordan Wynn on yesterday as the Monday Morning Quarterback. I guess Dolce is 100% gone. Wynn sounded very good, much less quirky than Dolce.
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"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
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Dolce is working for 1280
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Aha. He's joined the ranks of broadcasters I never listen to.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
I’m hearing a broadcast right now on KSL radio, where Scott Mitchell is one of the cohosts. Apparently he does this a couple of nights a week. Is this new? Can the color guy for Utah football be a regular on a KSL sports show?
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
He was doing the ksl stuff before ESPN700
And yeah, Dolce did TV and radio appearances the last couple of years.
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I had no idea. Shows you what a guy like me misses by not living in Utah and never listening to KSL radio.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
I was hoping that Mitchell would be on 700 more during the week with bill. I really like Mitchell’s perspective.
I've had to listen to more games this year than ever before, and I normally enjoy Bill, Scott and Tom. But Saturday's game was not one of the group's finest moments. Bill had to correct himself so many times in the booth, I thought the least he could do was pay homage to Bill Marcroft and say "Check it," before each of his corrections. Their analysis of the targeting call and passing on a 60-yard FG before halftime was right up Fanboy Alley. Mitchell has gotten better at describing coverages, especially when Utah is on defense, but still sounds cliched in spots. Hackett had one great bit of insight on ASU's missed FG, but needs to get better about conveying Really Important Information from the sidelines more concisely and descriptively.
Bill and Scott are still working on their chemistry, as is the production team. There was a moment in saturday's game where Bill took it to break, but then you could still hear their conversation for a good 5-6 seconds before the commercials kicked on. I have noticed a few wrubellian moments from them where they will be beside themselves over a call.
"Wrubellian" - lol classic
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hmmmm ... Spence Checkets coming back to ESPN 700
https://twitter.com/espn700bill/stat...40482832871424
Spence is actually very good IMO
I might actually listen now. I like listening to a conversation/discussion and not a monologue. Glad that Bill is giving Spence ahmmmm ... Spence Checkets coming back to ESPN 700
https://twitter.com/espn700bill/stat...40482832871424
Spence is actually very good IMOfourth, fifth...?second chance.
Spence just launched a new podcast. I think its just a call in interview/promo and bill is doing a throwback for old times sake.
Still around, im guessing until next year when their contracts are up. Spence might become a once a week segment with Bill, but hes not coming on full time right now.
That makes more sense given the circumstances.
So this whole ESPN 700 v 1280 the zone, Porter Larsen vs Gordon Monson thing has been fun to follow.......
The tl;dr version..........Monson wrote a column about Troy Taylor being pushed out (according to Gordon's sources), Troy was interviewed on 700 by Ben Anderson and Larsen wherein he refuted just about everything Monson had said, without mentioning the column. Larsen took to twitter to critique the column, saying it was essentially wrong and that Monson only occasionally is seen up on the hill talking to players and coaches, while Larsen is there everyday. Lloyd Cole (1280 program director) and Austin Horton took to twitter to fire back at Larsen (which he turned right around with some excellent GIFs). Jake Scott and Gordon Monson spent the opening segment of the big show yesterday to rip on Larsen, calling him a "punk kid".
Agreed, 110%. The only beneficial thing he has brought to Utah sports is the quote aimed at him from Boylen, “Nice of you to show up!”
To me what’s most repulsive about him is that he seems so cynical — he seems to know exactly what he’s doing, that he’s lazy and that he makes his living by stirring up controversy without regard to whether what he says is even true.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
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