The 2020 Conference Play Thread

[sancho]

3 out of the last five we have been run out of the building. We need a 2 guard that can hit the corner 3.

I think Brenchley or Plummer could do that. Or Gach (though he was awful last night). I think the problem offensively is that we have no way to get the ball inside. Allen/Gach can drive at times (and when they can, there is a night and day difference in our offense), but we have no post threats at all to keep a defense honest. Even if we had your 2-guard, I don't think we can get shots for him.

We are now 2-4 in our 8 game murderer's row. Three of the losses were blowouts. Those three teams (SDSU, CU, and Zona) have something in common - they all have big men who can score. We have no interior defense at all. Zona killed us with three pointers last night, but it was inside out. They started by having Nnaji abuse Carlson in the post. Any team with a scoring big man is going to be licking their chops when they see Utah film. (The fourth loss came against a guard oriented team without much inside scoring, Oregon).

It is disheartening that we never made a run in any of those three blowout losses.

ASU has Romelo White averaging 11 pnts and 10 rebounds per game. I don't know how we deal with that tomorrow.

[sancho]

We are now 2-4 in our 8 game murderer's row.

It is clear that we are not in the top tier of the Pac-12. The next two games dictate whether we can compete for the middle tier (5-8) or whether we are in the bottom tier (9-12).

[SoCalPat]

We knew this team had some deficiencies coming into the year. But are they really that bad that we can't find a way to hide them and at least be remotely competitive? And our defense ... ugh.

How this team beat BYU is a mystery. Yeah, it was Childs' first game back. But they played SDSU to a 6-point game without him. At full strength, they've blown out Nevada and Weber by 30-plus -- two teams we really weren't dominant at all in for large stretches.

[sancho]

Our 3FG% is dropping fast. In order of attempts:

Gach is down to 27% in his awful slump.
Jones is down to 42% from 50% earlier, which means he must be shooting 30% for the past two weeks.
Battin steady at 37%.
Brenchley is up to 40%.
Plummer is at 32%.
Allen is at 22%.

The team is shooting 33% on the season.

Gach is losing minutes in his slump. His minutes per game for the past 10 games: 37, 34, 30, 35, 38, 29, 29, 22, 31, 26. He's gonna keep losing minutes to Brenchley and Plummer if he can't figure out how to contribute something.

[Scorcho]

I'm expecting a loss at USC tomorrow, but hoping the Utes can grab a win at UCLA on Sunday afternoon

[sancho]

I'm expecting a loss at USC tomorrow, but hoping the Utes can grab a win at UCLA on Sunday afternoon

I can live with a loss tomorrow, but another blowout loss will be completely deflating. If we want to believe that our wins against Washington schools meant something, we have to be competitive tomorrow.

I'm not sure what the numbers say, but my old memory says Larry is usually pretty good against Enfield.

[DrumNFeather]

ASU got beat by Wazzu last night. Life on the road in the Pac 12 is tough man. WSU and Cal have both matched their league win totals from last year. If Washington doesn't beat Arizona tonight, they'll be 2-7 to start league play. Crazy.

We always seem to matchup well against USC for some reason...so I'm hopeful. I certainly like us +8.5 or whatever it is.

[Mormon Red Death]

Gach not starting

[Mormon Red Death]

ASU got beat by Wazzu last night. Life on the road in the Pac 12 is tough man. WSU and Cal have both matched their league win totals from last year. If Washington doesn't beat Arizona tonight, they'll be 2-7 to start league play. Crazy.

We always seem to matchup well against USC for some reason...so I'm hopeful. I certainly like us +8.5 or whatever it is.

I took your advice.

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[SoCalPat]

I think Brenchley or Plummer could do that. Or Gach (though he was awful last night). I think the problem offensively is that we have no way to get the ball inside. Allen/Gach can drive at times (and when they can, there is a night and day difference in our offense), but we have no post threats at all to keep a defense honest. Even if we had your 2-guard, I don't think we can get shots for him.

We are now 2-4 in our 8 game murderer's row. Three of the losses were blowouts. Those three teams (SDSU, CU, and Zona) have something in common - they all have big men who can score. We have no interior defense at all. Zona killed us with three pointers last night, but it was inside out. They started by having Nnaji abuse Carlson in the post. Any team with a scoring big man is going to be licking their chops when they see Utah film. (The fourth loss came against a guard oriented team without much inside scoring, Oregon).

It is disheartening that we never made a run in any of those three blowout losses.

ASU has Romelo White averaging 11 pnts and 10 rebounds per game. I don't know how we deal with that tomorrow.

I want the members of the crowd that insisted we wouldn't miss Jayce Johnson to stand up and be counted. Right now.

[chrisrenrut]

I want the members of the crowd that insisted we wouldn't miss Jayce Johnson to stand up and be counted. Right now.

I'll stand up. I don't think I was jumping for joy when Jayce left, but I don't think we miss him that much.

You seriously think Jayce would make a difference? As the only center listed for Marquette, he is averaging 12 minutes a game, 3 points, 5 rebounds, and .4 blocks. How is that any sort of significant improvement over the 17 minutes, 5 points, 3.5 rebounds, and .8 blocks per game, and Lahat at 2 points, 3 rebounds, and .5 blocks?

[sancho]

I'll stand up. I don't think I was jumping for joy when Jayce left, but I don't think we miss him that much.

You seriously think Jayce would make a difference? As the only center listed for Marquette, he is averaging 12 minutes a game, 3 points, 5 rebounds, and .4 blocks. How is that any sort of significant improvement over the 17 minutes, 5 points, 3.5 rebounds, and .8 blocks per game, and Lahat at 2 points, 3 rebounds, and .5 blocks?

I guess he's not being used at Marquette (although 5 rebounds in 12 minutes is pretty good), but he was 7 ppg, 8 rpg for us last season in about 20 mpg. And, more importantly, he didn't get pushed around by guys like Nnaji. If we still had him, he'd be getting the most minutes at the 5.

I like Carlson, Thione, and MVK, but I like their potential more than their ability. Carlson in particular seems capable of being a good offensive and defensive center.

[Utebiquitous]

I really miss Jayce. I'd take his averages from last season right now. I'm really optimistic about Carlson - but he's a year away from putting up some numbers for us. My optimism that he'd make an impact early disippated quickly as we played the stronger teams. He'll get there but I wish we had Jayce as a bridge. I'll bet he may think the same thing. I sure wish this team - this staff - would recommit to defense. They should be staying in games better. I get one - maybe two - blowouts; but four games and counting where you're done at halftime is tough to see. We have the bodies to commit to defense. A few players have their shortcomings offensively but defense can come along quicker if coaching makes it a priority. It still mystifies me that defense is not the priority it once was. It seemed like the calling card for Larry the first few years. I certainly share the optimism for the next few years but I'd love it if this team could get a little tougher this season and finish at .500 or higher in league play.

[SoCalPat]

I really miss Jayce. I'd take his averages from last season right now. I'm really optimistic about Carlson - but he's a year away from putting up some numbers for us. My optimism that he'd make an impact early disippated quickly as we played the stronger teams. He'll get there but I wish we had Jayce as a bridge. I'll bet he may think the same thing. I sure wish this team - this staff - would recommit to defense. They should be staying in games better. I get one - maybe two - blowouts; but four games and counting where you're done at halftime is tough to see. We have the bodies to commit to defense. A few players have their shortcomings offensively but defense can come along quicker if coaching makes it a priority. It still mystifies me that defense is not the priority it once was. It seemed like the calling card for Larry the first few years. I certainly share the optimism for the next few years but I'd love it if this team could get a little tougher this season and finish at .500 or higher in league play.

We're not finishing .500 in league play. Wazzu blowing our doors off next week ain't out of the question.

Agreed on your sentiments on defense. It's a near 180 from Larry's first 4 years.

[SeattleUte]

If we didn't know better, we'd have a lot of reason to be optimistic for the future and regard this team as a foundation and enjoy the ride. This team is not unlike 1993-94 (I think), Van Horn's freshman year. That team finished .500 and lost to BYU by 40 in the Wac tournament, the day that Van Horn learned his father had died. In retrospect, that game was the beginning of the end for Roger Reid. But I will believe that this coach can keep this team together and move it forward when I see it. So I feel only despair about this program. Actually, not despair, more apathy. I have a rule that I don't let my teams' problems become my own. I'm happy to share in the wins and the good times.

[Mormon Red Death]

We're not finishing .500 in league play. Wazzu blowing our doors off next week ain't out of the question.

Agreed on your sentiments on defense. It's a near 180 from Larry's first 4 years.

Both games they played great defense

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[UTEopia]

I think Brenchley or Plummer could do that. Or Gach (though he was awful last night). I think the problem offensively is that we have no way to get the ball inside. Allen/Gach can drive at times (and when they can, there is a night and day difference in our offense), but we have no post threats at all to keep a defense honest. Even if we had your 2-guard, I don't think we can get shots for him.

We are now 2-4 in our 8 game murderer's row. Three of the losses were blowouts. Those three teams (SDSU, CU, and Zona) have something in common - they all have big men who can score. We have no interior defense at all. Zona killed us with three pointers last night, but it was inside out. They started by having Nnaji abuse Carlson in the post. Any team with a scoring big man is going to be licking their chops when they see Utah film. (The fourth loss came against a guard oriented team without much inside scoring, Oregon).

It is disheartening that we never made a run in any of those three blowout losses.

ASU has Romelo White averaging 11 pnts and 10 rebounds per game. I don't know how we deal with that tomorrow.

I would be shocked if Plummer sees any meaningful minutes after not fouling against Oregon. My guess is that he will not be here next year.

[sancho]

I'm not expecting many minutes out of him either, but I don't think that will be the reason. I don't think Larry would hold that against him for long.

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[UTEopia]

I would be shocked if Plummer sees any meaningful minutes after not fouling against Oregon. My guess is that he will not be here next year.

I was clearly wrong.

[sancho]

I was clearly wrong.

I guess Larry liked that Plummer shot well in garbage time against Zona. It is nice to have someone who will pull the trigger.

I'm bummed. I had very little hope going into the CU and Zona games, but I thought we had a chance tonight. We were awful. Watching Gach was painful. Unlike the last two losses, we didn't give up. We played hard all game, and we still got whooped. And by a bad team.

This might be the first time Larry's team doesn't exceed expectations.

Hurley is an embarrassment to Duke basketball.