Approaches to Pornography

[Solon]

Is it really that complicated? I hear variations on three arguments supporting the porn industry:

1) It doesn't hurt anyone. This is ridiculous enough to ignore.

2) People should be able to do what they want. Agree, but that's a discussion on laws and regulations once we have established the fact that the industry is harmful.

3) Finally, there's the academic, feminist argument. It's fine as far as academic, theoretical musings go, but it's completely disconnected from reality. The porn industry exists/thrives because it enslaves. Men and women. There is not one poster here or anywhere who would encourage his wife or daughter to enter the porn industry as a way to reclaim their sexuality from the patriarchy.

I think the complication emerges in the oodles of ways that "porn" can be produced. A kid goofing around with a webcam for bitcoin is really different from a sex worker in Thailand.
The porn industry thrives because there is a market for it. The contention that it enslaves is only right some of the time. Unfortunately, it's really hard to make it right none of the time.

As for the "encouraging" wife or daughter, you're right - but nor do I want my daughter to get an abortion, smoke, or attend the byu.

I really do feel that the issue is very complicated, but I'm getting close to "doth protest too much" territory.

[concerned]

I think the complication emerges in the oodles of ways that "porn" can be produced. A kid goofing around with a webcam for bitcoin is really different from a sex worker in Thailand.
The porn industry thrives because there is a market for it. The contention that it enslaves is only right some of the time. Unfortunately, it's really hard to make it right none of the time.

As for the "encouraging" wife or daughter, you're right - but nor do I want my daughter to get an abortion, smoke, or attend the byu.

I really do feel that the issue is very complicated, but I'm getting close to "doth protest too much" territory.

I thought I read an article in the New Yorker recently that the porn "industry" is dying, because there is so much free, amateur, voluntary stuff online, that few people pay for it and there is no money in it. FWIW.

[Diehard Ute]

Some of the time is enough. This is true of gambling and alcohol as well, which is why I also don't support those industries. I know very many people can touch very many things and be just fine. But it absolutely wrecks some lives. That's enough for me to be opposed.

But really, I was trying to say that I don't buy the academic argument about empowerment or freedom or whatever that argument is about.

So, how do you support religion?


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[Rocker Ute]

So, how do you support religion?


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Nobody has every been flushed out of the bottom of religion and ended up selling real estate.

[Diehard Ute]

With about 10% of my income.

It was a serious question. Lots of people thrive on religion. Others murder, rape etc because of it. How is that different than your other stances?


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[Rocker Ute]

It was a serious question. Lots of people thrive on religion. Others murder, rape etc because of it. How is that different than your other stances?


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That's true of everything. So I guess the real question is the 'net good' of porn (or religion) greater than the 'net bad'.

[Diehard Ute]

That's true of everything. So I guess the real question is the 'net good' of porn (or religion) greater than the 'net bad'.

Which is my point. When you start making the sweeping "I won't support this because it may harm someone" stuff where do you stop?

And the "net good" often depends on the person doing the judging.


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[chrisrenrut]

That's true of everything. So I guess the real question is the 'net good' of porn (or religion) greater than the 'net bad'.

No, just MLM's and Ponzi schemes

Edit: wrong quote- meant to reply to the real estate comment.

[Mormon Red Death]

Some of the time is enough. This is true of gambling and alcohol as well, which is why I also don't support those industries. I know very many people can touch very many things and be just fine. But it absolutely wrecks some lives. That's enough for me to be opposed.

But really, I was trying to say that I don't buy the academic argument about empowerment or freedom or whatever that argument is about.

Bite your Tongue!