“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Why bring on UTSA? Do they drastically increase the money from their tv deal?
No. So, you increase costs and nothing else. That’s not smart. UTSA might be a sleeping giant, ala TCU, Houston or Louisville. So, you invite them in, they beat up on the MWC then jump ship in 2024. So, all your schools lost money to prop UTSA up. Not sure that’s a great selling point.
You think BYU is the class of the MWC right now. Do they significantly increase the tv deal for the MWC?
If BYU returns, will ESPN redo their deal with the MWC? Right now, MWC teams get about 1 million per year from their deal. Boise St gets around 3 million.
I doubt that changes. BYU might get 3 or 4 million from ESPN by joining, but the other teams would stay the same.
So, no real incentive there. BYU would sell more tickets in your stadium. That would be the biggest benefit.
But, BYU is a headache. They are a scheduling headache. They aren’t pleasant to be around. No one really likes them. So, why add them? Are the seats sold to one game worth the headache?
I’m not so sure.
Also, there is already talk of Boise's special treatment and how that should go away. Boise isn't going to BCS bowls anymore. Heck, they've only won their division once in 4 years (I do believe). Some of those schools want Boise to not get special treatment anymore and they are smart to do so. Boise isn't going anywhere. They have no leverage here anymore.
If Boise is stuck in a hard place, what would BYU do? Why would any of those teams give special considerations to BYU money-wise?
So, I guess I am changing my stance as I look into this more. If I was a MWC team, I think I'd want BYU in. Bring BYU in, get a little more money, then demand equal pay to all schools, ala the PAC-12. Each school would get an additional $500,000 (approx), but BYU and Boise St would lose millions.
So why would BYU take that deal? Ha ha. What does all this mean? BYU is screwed. BYU would probably be best served trying to get a scheduling agreement with the MWC. Try to get 5 or 6 games lined up every year and have access to MWC Bowls ala Notre Dame and ACC. But why would the MWC do that deal? Ha ha.
BYU looks to be stuck in no man's land. They can't beat P5 schools on the regular. Their recruiting has been killed by independence and shows no sign of rebounding. They do not have any interesting games (they lose to most P5 games and all good ones, and they play a smattering of ridiculous teams, with 2-4 "rivalry" games from the MWC), they do not win good games, their bowl games suck, their money sucks and their recruiting sucks.
Ha ha.
ya, good point.
I wonder what the $$$ comparison would be for the MWC of byu as a member, vs byu as an independent.
MWC teams get X playing byu as an OOC game, vs, MWC teams get Y playing byu as a conference game (with the MWC getting a different TV deal with byu as a conference member).
Is X >, <, or = to Y.
We know that MWC teams each get about 1.1 million per year from their tv deal. Boise St gets about 3 million. BYU gets about 4 million from ESPN.
I don't think it would vary too much. So, if you are BYU and can keep your 4 million per year, I'd say it would be a no brainer for BYU to join the MWC. Same money, easier schedules.
Here is the problem. The MWC deal comes up after 2019 (I think). I read in USA Today that some schools do not like that Boise St gets more money than they do. They talked about how Boise has only won their division once the last 4 years and aren't bringing in the sweet, sweet BCS Bowl money anymore. They were discussing having Boise go back to an equal pay member.
If that happens, then 1.1 * 10 +3 = a $14,000,000 pot or $1,272,727 per school, an increase of $172,000 per school.
If you added BYU to that pot (and I don't think BYU would drastically increase the value of the MWC, so I don't think that adding BYU would add any real money to their respective deals. I'd bet that BYU would increase their deal about 4 million per year...what they are currently being paid), then the pot becomes $18,000,000 or $1.5 million per school.
So, there is real value to adding BYU to the MWC in that case. Each school gets an additional $500,000 per year plus they get the gate receipts when BYU comes to town. Some real value there (and this is going against my initial opinion).
BUT, if you are BYU, do you take that deal? No way. I don't see the LDS Corp walking away from 2.5 million dollars per year to join the MWC. If you are the MWC, is adding BYU just to add BYU (with no increase in money) worth it to you? Nope. Not only because you'd be treating BYU differently, a school that tried to screw you over with backroom deals, but you'd lose any leverage with Boise, who you are trying to get some money from.
Ha ha.
A flip side to this for BYU is that it's easier for them to get into the tournament in the wcc than it would be in the mwc.
Dang, slow on the switch again ... sorry ... Skim milk? SKIM!! How could you summon me with a picture of SKIM MILK.
You see, it's much easier to get outraged over the fact you used a picture of skim milk in bags to summon me, than a discussion where a poster opens by telling us how little value BYU has, but then proceeds to tell us over multiple posts just how valuable they supposadly really are ...
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I agree with what you are saying, but BYU is run by LDS-Corp, the cheapest organization out there. From letting members die to save money with the handcarts to making members clean the chapels today, no dollar can be saved at too high a cost.
Id be shocked if the church would look away from 2.5 million for football.
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looks like Elijah Bryant is leaving BYU early to play overseas
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